Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site mprvaxa.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!ihnp4!zehntel!tektronix!uw-beaver!ubc-vision!mprvaxa!tbray From: tbray@mprvaxa.UUCP (Tim Bray) Newsgroups: net.politics,net.flame Subject: Enforced socialism?!?!?!? Message-ID: <519@mprvaxa.UUCP> Date: Fri, 6-Apr-84 11:03:01 EST Article-I.D.: mprvaxa.519 Posted: Fri Apr 6 11:03:01 1984 Date-Received: Mon, 9-Apr-84 05:41:06 EST References: <105@eneevax.UUCP>, <960@sdcrdcf.UUCP>, <827@ihuxq.UUCP>, <2675@rabbit.UUCP> Organization: Microtel Pacific Research, Burnaby BC Lines: 32 x <-- USENET insecticide I think jj's term "union-enforced socialism" is a contradiction in terms. Socialism is based on state control of a large part of the the economy. Free Enterprise is SUPPOSED to be based on enlightened self interest, free play of market forces, and all those other good fairy stories. Unions are organizations constituted of participants in the free labour market acting in their own enlightened self-interest to increase their value in that market. Now some unionists may be politically committed to socialism (damn few in the US). But they are part of the free market and can no more impose socialism than the "Moral Majority" can impose morality. But that's different, you say? Oh I see, enlightened self interest is only for the propertied, not for the peons... Actually, based on my experience in the private sector, I think the original poster was entirely correct in that the North American private sector is destroying itself (and our planet, as a by-product) through excessive focus on the quarterly bottom line. The problem is that if I as a corporate manager change my focus to the long-term, my quarterly profitability will decline, and with it my ability to attract the investment capital necessary to make important strategic moves. So I am locked into the vicious and eventually self-defeating quarterly-bottom-line cycle. The problem with capitalism is that it doesn't work.