Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site rabbit.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!floyd!harpo!ulysses!allegra!alice!rabbit!jj From: jj@rabbit.UUCP Newsgroups: net.politics,net.flame Subject: Re: Enforced socialism?!?!?!? Message-ID: <2685@rabbit.UUCP> Date: Mon, 9-Apr-84 10:21:14 EST Article-I.D.: rabbit.2685 Posted: Mon Apr 9 10:21:14 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 11-Apr-84 06:35:48 EST References: <105@eneevax.UUCP>, <960@sdcrdcf.UUCP>, <827@ihuxq.UUCP>, <2675@rabbit.UUCP>, <519@mprvaxa.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill Lines: 31 Well, Tim, I don't think you're looking while you read. I certainly don't mean that unions INTEND socialism, only that the powers granted to labor unions in the US are so excessive that they allow the union to control management in almost all cases. While this is not of itself bad, many unions, union leaders, and union members do not understand the problems and/or needs of the business that they are controlling (indirectly, yes) well enough. Asking for a raise "because someone else got one" when the company doesn't HAVE the money to provide the raise, and can't afford it without going into their capital funds to provide it (look at steel, rubber, auto , and SOME mining industries for an example of what happens when the inprovement capital is lost>, is merely foolish. (As for the auto industry, many of the problems there are involved with labor difficulties. I was born and raised near a huge GM plant, and I have quite a bit of experience with the attitude that many (not all) union members have toward their jobs. This attitude is the direct cause of much of the missassembly, etc, that is commonly ascribed to US manufactured vehicles. Give VW and Mazda a few years.) -- TEDDY BEARS ARE NICER THAN PEOPLE--HUG YOURS TODAY! (If you go out in the woods today ... ) (allegra,harpo,ulysses)!rabbit!jj