Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: Notesfiles; site uicsl.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!floyd!harpo!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcs!uicsl!preece From: preece@uicsl.UUCP Newsgroups: net.kids Subject: Re: "Talented and Gifted" program - (nf) Message-ID: <22800011@uicsl.UUCP> Date: Fri, 3-Feb-84 14:16:00 EST Article-I.D.: uicsl.22800011 Posted: Fri Feb 3 14:16:00 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 11-Apr-84 01:15:33 EST References: <869@ihuxr.UUCP> Lines: 52 Nf-ID: #R:ihuxr:-86900:uicsl:22800011:000:2777 Nf-From: uicsl!preece Feb 3 13:16:00 1984 #R:ihuxr:-86900:uicsl:22800011:000:2777 uicsl!preece Feb 3 13:16:00 1984 I don't know exactly what I'd push if I were on a school board. It's easy to pick on particular abuses and apparent conflicts between practice and common sense; it's harder to see how to restructure things to work better within a standard framework. Ideally each student would be able to follow each educational strand at his or her own pace. Teachers would be resources for students who drove themselves and would try to find ways to excite the rest so that they, too, would be self-driven. Ideally students would be more interested in what they were learning than in the fact that they were ahead of or behind others. Ideally a student showing a level of insight or intuition indicative of a special gift would be matched to a tutor capable of expanding that gift into a talent. Some private schools are fairly good models of this ideal, but only for a limited, selected few. Even there, though, the kids will ignore the ideal of egalitarianism. Anything you do to reward excellence, or even acknowledge it will be mis-used as a stratifier by the kids themselves. I don't see how you can avoid this in a competitive society. What you have to do is make sure your kids know that each is unique and special and that any obvious gift is not 'better' than an unknown one. But school boards have limited funds. It's hard to see how any teacher can make each of 35 kids feel special, though there are the gifted few who manage it. It's hard to see how a union can lead to the proper appreciation and promotion of merit and competence and hard to see how unorganized teachers can be protected from arbitrary and capricious administrators and school boards. Students who are self-motivated need a different kind of teacher interaction than those who think school is a drag. It's hard for one teacher to be both kinds of teacher. My father's on a school board. They don't spend a lot of time trying to find innovative ways to improve the effectiveness of teaching; they spend a LOT of time trying to figure out how to support the most basic programs in the face of severe money problems. I guess the bottom line is I'd rather they did SOMETHING special with gifted kids, even if it is half-assed and sometimes inept. The self image problem is very real. Doing something to acknowledge their specialness in one area may do much to cancel their feelings of social discomfort. There needs to a lot more insight in finding the gifted student hidden by cultural or economic handicaps. There are kids out there who should be in gifted programs but are stuck in the lowest tracks because they lack basic skills. Somehow we have to look beyond a superficial ignorance to find a hidden brilliance. IQ tests clearly aren't enough. scott preece ihnp4!uiucdcs!uicsl!preece