Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utcsrgv.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcsrgv!mason From: mason@utcsrgv.UUCP (Dave Mason) Newsgroups: net.micro,net.research,net.cse Subject: Re: should universities explore the cutting edge? Message-ID: <3595@utcsrgv.UUCP> Date: Sat, 24-Mar-84 15:20:49 EST Article-I.D.: utcsrgv.3595 Posted: Sat Mar 24 15:20:49 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 24-Mar-84 16:58:20 EST References: <235@intelca.UUCP> Organization: University of Toronto/Ryerson Polytechnic Institute Lines: 30 **** Response to Ken Shoemaker, Intel From your net address, your built-in biases are fairly obvious (doesn't of course mean that they are real, just obvious), but, YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS! I guess it depends on what you mean by cutting edge of computer architecture: if one were relating 16 and 32 bit micros to mainframe architecture I suggest a pairing something like: 68000 - S/360, 16032 - VAX, 8086 - DG Nova; and while the Nova solves a lot of peoples problems, few would claim that its architecture is as powerful as that of a VAX, or even S/360. You are right of course that these are all fairly conventional VonNeuman architectures, but that doesn't mean that they are equal (or even close) from an architectural viewpoint. The problem with real cutting edge architecture like transputers, Illiac IVs, and (maybe) 432s is that the software technology is such that we can't use them (Occam perhaps to the contrary someday). This does not mean we should all go back to PDP-8s, Novas, and their ilk. We have made real progress down one branch of the computer architecture tree, and we should recognize that and take advantage of it. This means that we (particularly in academia) must not view IBM-PCs and other architectural dinosaurs as other than interim solutions or power supplies and keyboards for micro boards with modern architectures. And we must make it clear to holders of purse strings that that is how we view it. -- Usenet: {dalcs dciem garfield musocs qucis sask titan trigraph ubc-vision utzoo watmath allegra cornell decvax decwrl ihnp4 uw-beaver} !utcsrgv!mason Dave Mason, U. Toronto CSRG CSNET: mason@Toronto ARPA: mason%Toronto@CSNet-Relay