Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 6/7/83; site hao.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!harpo!seismo!hao!woods From: woods@hao.UUCP (Greg Woods) Newsgroups: net.motss Subject: Re: Discrimination, gay marriages Message-ID: <922@hao.UUCP> Date: Mon, 16-Apr-84 23:51:51 EST Article-I.D.: hao.922 Posted: Mon Apr 16 23:51:51 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 18-Apr-84 01:12:28 EST References: <897@linus.UUCP> <19399@wivax.UUCP>, <672@bbncca.ARPA> Organization: High Altitude Obs./NCAR, Boulder CO Lines: 31 > If we were to find some way of 'endowing' willing gay > relationships with the same legal responsibilities as those of > straight marriages, then I can see extending job benefits to your > lover/partner. Of course, if simple 'straight' cohabitation for > a certain amount of time were also covered, then I see no reason > why a same-sex relationship (for the same amount of time) should > not also be covered. I think the real issue is not "gay or straight", here, but "lover or roommate". The problem is, how the hell do you know? I've had some relationships with women where I didn't know if we were lovers, romantic or what. I've also had lots of roommates (both male and female) that I had no emotional or sexual involvement with and certainly wouldn't want to be held responsible for in any way. How do we decide whether there is legal responsibility or not, be it gay or straight? Clearly, mere cohabitation isn't enough. How does a court measure commitment? Personally I think it's a bad idea to even give them the *power* to do that. After the Michelle "Marvin" case, I'm almost afraid to even be seen on a "date"! :-) I don't want to debate the Marvin case here, I'm just using it as an extreme example. Maybe she deserved some compensation, maybe not. I haven't got all the facts. The point is, do we really want to evaluate all these things on a case-by-case basis (the only fair way to do it)? Can we afford to? I say no. I say do away with all the legal commitments entirely. Everyone should always be responsible for supporting themselves. If it weren't for the fact that some people actually want children, there would be no problem.... :-) GREG -- {ucbvax!hplabs | allegra!nbires | decvax!stcvax | harpo!seismo | ihnp4!stcvax} !hao!woods