Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcs!uiuccsb!grass From: grass@uiuccsb.UUCP Newsgroups: net.nlang Subject: Re: For what is grammar good? - (nf) Message-ID: <6397@uiucdcs.UUCP> Date: Sun, 25-Mar-84 22:55:50 EST Article-I.D.: uiucdcs.6397 Posted: Sun Mar 25 22:55:50 1984 Date-Received: Tue, 27-Mar-84 00:38:37 EST Lines: 24 #R:proper:-108100:uiuccsb:10500024:000:1284 uiuccsb!grass Mar 25 12:51:00 1984 Somewhere in my former life as a linguist, the origin of this "rule" of English grammar was discussed (the one saying no prepositions at the end of a sentence). It seems that many centuries ago, when scholars first started to pay attention to vernacular languages, the only existing books on grammar concerned the classical languages: Latin and Greek. The scholars who began writing grammars of "vulgar" languages modeled them on existing proscriptive grammars for those languages with the intention of demonstrating that their native languages were as good as the classical languages (they had at least some nationalistic motivations.. which I could elaborate on, but we'll leave the language politics of the 14-16th century alone...). Part of proving a language was as good as Latin in those days was to demonstrate a relation to Latin, usually in terms of similar grammar. The rule saying sentences may not end in prepositions is a rule of all the Romance languages, but ALL germanic languages use final prepositions (and verb particles that LOOK like prepositions as in the verb "to turn off"). The insistence on this rule today goes back to the non-English English rules proscribed by these very first grammars. Once an authority, always an authority.... -Judy Grass.