Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site allegra.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!mwg From: mwg@allegra.UUCP (Mark Garrett) Newsgroups: net.physics Subject: Re: Thermodynamics and probability Message-ID: <2392@allegra.UUCP> Date: Tue, 10-Apr-84 09:57:31 EST Article-I.D.: allegra.2392 Posted: Tue Apr 10 09:57:31 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 11-Apr-84 05:39:03 EST References: <936@ihuxm.UUCP>, <2833@brl-vgr.ARPA>, <9@entropy.UUCP>, <294@charm.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill Lines: 26 No; all the air molecles in a room could not, by themselves, move to one side. Statistical mechanics inherently is not accurate enough (nor has it been verified experimentally accurately enough) to predict correctly such improbable events as all air molecules *by themselves* drifting to one side of the room. Although the examples--(1) a growing crystal, or (2) a gravitational dust cloud condensing into planets, of (3) chemical processes that formed life--represent increases in entropy and at the same time increases in order, nevertheless these examples all occur at the expense of even more disorder (simultaneouus irreversible processes) in the universe: (1) heat flow from hot to cold bodies, (2) emmitted noise and other radiation, as well as conversion of (ordered) potential gravitational energy into (disordered) heat, and (3) consumption of nuclear fuel on the sun. Besides, statistical mechanics rests upon the assmpution of the truth of the ergodic (or quasi-ergodic) hypothesis--i.e., the hypothesis that the universe comes back to its initial state (or as closely so as can be specified) or to any other given state (or closely so) if only you wait long enough. This hypothesis is obviously false. After you die, the universe will never, repeat *never*, comeback to its present state (or closely so)--i.e., with all calendars on the earth displaying a year "1984" (or "1914") and with you alive (except that you are insane). -D.I. Caplan Bell Labs, Murray Hill {this opinion represents neither that of this coropration or even the owner of this account}