Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site pucc-h Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!floyd!harpo!ulysses!mhuxl!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!CS-Mordred!Pucc-H:aeq From: aeq@pucc-h (Jeff Sargent) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: Who's attacking whom? Message-ID: <656@pucc-h> Date: Thu, 12-Apr-84 02:50:31 EST Article-I.D.: pucc-h.656 Posted: Thu Apr 12 02:50:31 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 13-Apr-84 08:02:20 EST References: <548@pyuxn.UUCP> Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Lines: 38 Rich Rosen is correct in saying that I (and perhaps others) have missed the fact that he is attacking, not Christianity, but all religion (isn't "debunk" not too different from "attack"?). It just happens that those in this group who do believe strongly enough to respond all happen to be in the Christian belief system; so that's what you end up with. I will await Rich's promised batch reply before discussing this "debunking" any further. (It is, in a way, a shame that net.religion.jewish was created; apparently the Jews who might have some good things to say to Rich have all moved over there. I stopped reading that group when many of the first articles in it dealt with finding good kosher restaurants on the East Coast [quite irrelevant to me in Indiana], rather than with meaty, interesting questions about Judaism; I had hoped to use that group to learn more about that religion. Sigh....) The Christian way, reduced to its essentials, IS the one true way. It all boils down to the question: Do you submit to, and serve, God (and other people -- see Matthew 25:31-46); or do you keep yourself for yourself? Differences in doctrine, and PERHAPS (this is pure speculation) even radical differences in belief systems, are of much less importance than that basic choice to put your own advantage (in the earthly sense) last or to put it first. Of course, the thing that gives Christianity the advantage over other religions (as far as my limited knowledge of other beliefs goes) is that we are undergirded by the knowledge that we are loved, unconditionally, no matter how much we rebel or how many mistakes we make ("God shows His love for us in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" -- Romans 5:8); and that we can apply for help to One who has Himself shared our experience of the difficulty of submitting one's will to God (it was difficult even for Jesus, per Gethsemane) but Who succeeded in doing it, so that He has blazed the trail and enabled us to follow. If you're going to try to be good at all, you'll find that you "fall short of the mark" (literal translation of the Greek word usually translated "sin") a LOT; you might as well follow the belief which (or, correctly, the Person Who) promises you both love and help when you fail, so that you need never despair. -- -- Jeff Sargent {allegra|ihnp4|decvax|harpo|seismo|ucbvax}!pur-ee!pucc-h:aeq One man's data are another man's garbage.