Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site pucc-h Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!floyd!harpo!ulysses!mhuxl!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!CS-Mordred!Pucc-H:aeq From: aeq@pucc-h (Jeff Sargent) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: Why we attack Christianity Message-ID: <655@pucc-h> Date: Thu, 12-Apr-84 02:28:52 EST Article-I.D.: pucc-h.655 Posted: Thu Apr 12 02:28:52 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 13-Apr-84 08:02:50 EST References: <547@uofm-cv.UUCP> Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Lines: 41 David Norris has replied to several pieces of Jan Wolter's article. I just wanted to add a few thoughts. Many pious but misguided people seem to forget that Jesus said "I have come that [you] might have life, and might have it more abundantly" (John 10:10). Several times Jesus refer's to the disciples' joy being full; and the apostle Paul says "Rejoice in the Lord always; and again I say, rejoice!" The only reason that it seems that a good man must be miserable is that some (many; all, really) of us, by nature, have a hard time doing good. Thus, initially (and for some time, as I've found out), doing good is doing something we don't want and don't like to do. But if we stay with God long enough, we will be changed into Christ's image, and we will begin wanting to act as Christ would, at least partially because we like to. Good works are good (this is a tautology, isn't it?), but it is true that the main point is whether we choose to submit ourselves to God or continue to go only our own way. In fact good works are not only encouraged, but virtually demanded, by the apostle James, who wrote "Faith without works is dead" (James 2:26). Perhaps the Church has at times sought "mindless soldiers". God does not wish to make such poor specimens. He wants people to be the best people they can possibly be; and that includes having their minds in top shape. (One has to, in order to survive in this group!) Alas, it is possible that some people are, in a sense I hadn't thought of until now, "having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof", as Paul wrote in 2 Timothy 3:5. The way I've usually thought of this (which I think is the traditional interpretation) is that people may go to (or even be in charge of) churches, but not preach anything about the power of God to save sinners; and that is certainly happening. But it is possible that another interpretation might be that Jan suggested: Using Christianity, not to allow God's power to work in one's life, but to gain temporal power for oneself--i.e. dealing in the wrong kind of power, rather than just ignoring power altogether. -- -- Jeff Sargent {allegra|ihnp4|decvax|harpo|seismo|ucbvax}!pur-ee!pucc-h:aeq One man's data are another man's garbage.