Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site iuvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!we13!ihnp4!inuxc!iuvax!notes From: notes@iuvax.UUCP Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: Non-theism - (nf) Message-ID: <331@iuvax.UUCP> Date: Thu, 12-Apr-84 01:05:46 EST Article-I.D.: iuvax.331 Posted: Thu Apr 12 01:05:46 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 13-Apr-84 08:17:18 EST Sender: notes@iuvax.UUCP Organization: Indiana University Lines: 20 #R:decwrl:-701100:iuvax:1700015:000:648 iuvax!dsaker Apr 11 21:17:00 1984 Reply to ddb: Don't forget spiritual experiences. I can imagine being convinced by a subjective experience. After all, the state of being convinced by a rational argument is subjective. Basic logical truths are said to be obvious because they rest on the subjective state of conviction that they inspire in most people. How would you convince someone of the correctness of modus ponens if they doubted it? Of course, if one has not had a convincing subjective experience, then one really has no ground for belief (or conviction). See my note 171, where I talk further about these matters. Daryel Akerlind ...ihnp4!inuxc!iuvax!dsaker