Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site pyuxn.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!pyuxww!pyuxn!rlr From: rlr@pyuxn.UUCP (Rich Rosen) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: Comments on humanistic faith article Message-ID: <563@pyuxn.UUCP> Date: Thu, 12-Apr-84 12:03:06 EST Article-I.D.: pyuxn.563 Posted: Thu Apr 12 12:03:06 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 13-Apr-84 20:27:28 EST References: <550@uofm-cv.UUCP> Organization: Bell Communications Research, Piscataway N.J. Lines: 30 While so much of the article describing the tenets of humanism (quoting from the Humanist Manifesto) is in accordance with my own beliefs, I still walk away from reading that article thinking that it smacked of a notion of equal respulsiveness to me as the notion of deity worship---the notion of humanity worship. It sounded too much like 19th century romantic ideals of the glory of man (sic) and how (hu)mankind can do anything, etc. We can build giant ships and buildings, and invent new powerful machines, and create a grand society for all to live in. (Yippee!! Praise man!!!) It's easy to extend this notion to "if we're so great, something must have made us this way"/"something is watching over us"/etc. When, in reality, there's no rationalization for either idea. Humans aren't "special" in the sense of superior or better. Just different. Those who worship "the glory of man" are sometimes almost repugnant enough to convince me to turn to religion. (almost!) Larry Bickford (I think) once said that if people choose not to worship god, then they wind up worshipping themselves. I contended that Larry was missing another viable option: don't worship anything; which he contended was an impossibility. Those who promote a religion that worships the glory of humankind lend credence to Larry's position. Wrongly. There is a viable neutral ground that declares "We are here. Not created deliberately by a deity for a specific purpose. Not charged with conquering the vastness of the universe for the glory of the human race. Not slated for a position of subservience to a god, or for a throne on the apex of the world. We're just here. That's all. No purpose, no intent. We're here. Let's make the most of it." -- Never ASSUME, because when you ASSUME, you make an ASS out of U and ME... Rich Rosen pyuxn!rlr