Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site kobold.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!genrad!grkermit!masscomp!kobold!tjt From: tjt@kobold.UUCP Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: objections to humanism Message-ID: <295@kobold.UUCP> Date: Fri, 13-Apr-84 07:07:29 EST Article-I.D.: kobold.295 Posted: Fri Apr 13 07:07:29 1984 Date-Received: Sun, 15-Apr-84 01:15:55 EST References: <320@charm.UUCP> <407@ihuxt.UUCP> Organization: Masscomp, Westford, MA Lines: 30 Yehoyaqim Shemtob Martillo (ihuxt!martillo) objects to humanism on the grounds: >Men set the standards in humanistic philosophy. >A German Nazi of the Hitler years could easily consider himself a cultured >humanist. Jews, Gypsies and certain others simply were not human. To use a favorite explanation from this news group: "But these aren't the *real* humanists." After all the discussions about "Real Christians", "Real Jews", "Real Moslems", "Real Men" and "Real Programmers", how are you supposed to identify a "Real Humanist"? I would like to exclude anyone who attempts to exclude members of our biological species from the human race. Thus, someone who says "Jews, Gypsies and certain others simply are not human" is not a humanist. Is this axiom and "article of faith", and does this make humanism a religion after all? I don't think so. The primary dictionary definitions for religion specify belief in some god or gods (a "superhuman being" or "supernatural powers"). The fourth or fifth definition of religion may be more secular, and refers to any belief system or activity that is pursued with extreme zeal (by this definition, for many hackers, computers are a religion). -- Tom Teixeira, Massachusetts Computer Corporation. Westford MA ...!{ihnp4,harpo,decvax}!masscomp!tjt (617) 692-6200 x275