Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site pyuxn.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!pyuxww!pyuxn!rlr From: rlr@pyuxn.UUCP (Rich Rosen) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: Converts from Evidence - (nf) Message-ID: <575@pyuxn.UUCP> Date: Tue, 17-Apr-84 13:00:27 EST Article-I.D.: pyuxn.575 Posted: Tue Apr 17 13:00:27 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 18-Apr-84 07:25:26 EST References: <334@iuvax.UUCP> <674@pucc-h> <1049@ihuxl.UUCP> Organization: Bell Communications Research, Piscataway N.J. Lines: 24 >> I have to confess that you're probably right: I also doubt that >> objective evidence is enough to fully convince anyone to accept >> Christ or to follow any other religious belief. Some Christians >> even have said this explicitly. [SARGENT] > Yes, but a sufficient amount of evidence can be a reason to > "try it out", to tentatively accept God (/god/gods). Then > God (/god/gods) may decide to demonstrate to your satisfaction > that you *have* made the right choice. (Or may not, and I don't > know why not either. :-( ) [SEIFERT] Sorry, but part of being rational involves not "trying out" things because they seem to be the thing to do at the moment. Such tentative "acceptance" involves entering a tautological and self-referential belief system which it is extremely difficult to escape from. Rationality demands that one know the nature of such a system before even tentatively accepting it. The self-referential assumptions surrounding logic and rationalism are far fewer (are far more understandable) than those of such belief systems. Once inside such a non-rational belief system, it is very easy to explain anything in any way that is desired. -- "An argument is an intellectual process. It isn't the automatic gainsaying of what the other person says." "... Can be." Rich Rosen pyuxn!rlr