Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site astrovax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!akgua!mcnc!decvax!harpo!ihnp4!astrovax!ks From: ks@astrovax.UUCP (Karl Stapelfeldt) Newsgroups: net.space Subject: Re: Solar Max Mission Failure/Success Message-ID: <305@astrovax.UUCP> Date: Sat, 21-Apr-84 15:28:48 EST Article-I.D.: astrovax.305 Posted: Sat Apr 21 15:28:48 1984 Date-Received: Sun, 22-Apr-84 09:17:39 EST References: <3754@utzoo.UUCP> <211@ames-lm.UUCP> <301@astrovax.UUCP> Organization: Princeton Univ. Astrophysics Lines: 47 Ed, I am not an accountant. I too am mystified (and a little skeptical) about the oft-quoted $240 million replacement cost for Solar Max. However, NASA administrator Beggs testified before the Senate in the FY '84 budget hearings that for a worst-case mission model (234 flights for the shuttle over 14 years) the individual costs per flight would be 120 million 1983 dollars. This flight also launched the LDEF, and thus its cost is not assessable to the Solar Max repair mission alone. Including costs of equipment and crew training, it is quite conceivable that the flight would be economically advantageous. More frequent use of the shuttle (as initially predicted by NASA and now forecast by the AIAA) would lower this cost per launch. As for the shuttle development costs, it is clearly unfair to expect these to be included in shuttle user charges while not correspondingly including development costs in expendable launch vehicle user charges. No one is asking Delta customers to pay for all of the development work that was required to perfect ELV technology; shuttle users should not have to either. NASA *is* including procurement costs for production orbiters in its user fees for the first three years of operational missions. A report to Congress for FY 1981 budget hearings cited the shuttle's development costs as going 20% over budget. However, if the contingency fund originally granted by the Nixon administration for shuttle development is *restored*, then the same report would say that the entire development program went only $30 million over budget (out of $5.15 Billion). Both figures are listed as 1971 dollars. The delays in the shuttle program hurt all potential users, and certainly NASA itself. However, the shuttle should not be the scapegoat for the failure of past administrations to adequately support space science programs. Where is it written that the administration & Congress may ititiate space programs, but then when NASA needs supplemental funding for them it must take those dollars from other programs instead of being allocated more? It would certainly help your case (and I would be interested to know more) if you could be more specific about which scientific programs you refer to as being damaged by the shuttle overruns. The Grand Tour was cancelled over NASA's objections by the OMB in 1972; the U.S. half of the Solar Polar Mission was cancelled by the Reagan administration (recently "born again" to space advocacy) in 1981. NASA twice presented Halley probe proposals to Congress in the late 1970's, and was twice refused. What do any of these actions necessarily have to do with space shuttle overruns? The heart of the problem is that NASA's budget in real terms is about half of its budget during the 1960's (and about a third of that during the peak year, 1966). Until this changes (probably not until the federal deficit problem is solved), there will be only slow progress toward the exploration *and* development of space. Karl S. Princeton Students for the Exploration & Development of Space (SEDS, or NASA ROTC)