Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 (Tek) 9/26/83; site shark.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!harpo!ihnp4!zehntel!hplabs!tektronix!orca!shark!hutch From: hutch@shark.UUCP (Stephen Hutchison) Newsgroups: net.suicide Subject: Re: Opinion on Suicide - a right? Message-ID: <684@shark.UUCP> Date: Mon, 9-Apr-84 04:26:19 EST Article-I.D.: shark.684 Posted: Mon Apr 9 04:26:19 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 12-Apr-84 01:25:32 EST References: <1112@proper.UUCP> Organization: Tektronix, Wilsonville OR Lines: 46 Some people seem to find it somehow disturbing that I consider there to be absolutes. Strange. Actually, I do think that my life belongs to others, as well as to myself, and that I have a stake in the lives of others, within some fuzzy boundaries. Since I did not expound on this in any detail, misunderstandings have occurred. So, I expound a trickle more. This culture, here in northamerica, is a VERY selfish and most immature one. We assume that because we enjoy tremendous freedom from the control of our lives by others that we are somehow also free from responsibilty to, and for, other people. This is poor thinking, even if one has to revert to the inadequate notions of enlightened self-interest. One mistake we make is then to assume that when someone else does something to themselves that can have a persistent effect on them and us, that we can have no say in it. Ultimately, to guard our own choices, we have to say that everyone must be allowed freedom except in those few cases where that will reduce the freedoms of others. However, we can, and do, as a society via whatever method, choose to infringe on these freedoms. All that preamble now stated, I get to try to relate it to my perception of the value of life. We do not exist in a vacuum. My actions are not only meaningful to me but can, and sometimes do, affect the lives of others. This is true of everyone, to varying degrees. The experiences that shape a person, the texture and sound and taste of another personality, cannot ever be replaced, and in that, every human is unique. To destroy a human life, one's own or that of another, is to prevent that life from ever enriching another. Or from impoverishing if the point need be made. There are sometimes situations where one cannot judge in more than shades of grey, and will never be sure of the outcome. Some suicides, a very few, are people who are suffering physically and who cannot stand it any longer. Most are people who suffer emotionally, and though their pain is real, it can be healed. I choose to claim a right to intervene in the latter case if I can do so. The suicide by choosing death is hurting me and others, and is doing even more harm to (it)self by preventing any healing that comes from outside. Enough of this rambling. Hutch