Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 exptools 1/6/84; site ihuxu.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!floyd!harpo!ulysses!mhuxl!ihnp4!ihuxu!martillo From: martillo@ihuxu.UUCP (Yehoyaqim Shemtob Martillo) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: Re: Martillo's Rape Cure Message-ID: <278@ihuxu.UUCP> Date: Wed, 4-Apr-84 23:37:02 EST Article-I.D.: ihuxu.278 Posted: Wed Apr 4 23:37:02 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 7-Apr-84 02:17:36 EST References: <6976@unc.UUCP>, <368@ihuxt.UUCP>, <343@ccieng5.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville, IL Lines: 37 This debate has twisted and turned long enough. My original article was a reply to Brownmiller's contention that men oppress women through rape. I contend the oppression is probably an unconcious side-effect and in fact men can oppress women in a society where rape is almost impossible. Despite all the net doubters there is less rape in Islamic society. Women can either be raped by strangers or non-strangers. In traditional Islamic society women are always guarded by their male relatives. If a stranger simply tries to talk to a woman, he runs the risk of severe bodily harm from her relatives. If a male relative wants to rape a woman, he cannot because the Islamic family is an extended hamula type family. There is no privacy. Family member rape really only becomes possible in nuclear and near-nuclear family. All the ideological debate on rape is really peripheral. The questions are: How is rape to be discouraged? How is the accused rapist to be tried? How is the convicted rapist to be punished? I am willing to stop flaming on this topic if everyone else is. I am only posting this article to net.women.