Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site randvax.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!floyd!harpo!ihnp4!zehntel!hplabs!sdcrdcf!randvax!edhall From: edhall@randvax.ARPA (Ed Hall) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: Inter-sexual undertones Message-ID: <1761@randvax.ARPA> Date: Mon, 9-Apr-84 20:34:57 EST Article-I.D.: randvax.1761 Posted: Mon Apr 9 20:34:57 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 13-Apr-84 06:07:40 EST References: <353@houxu.UUCP> Organization: Rand Corp., Santa Monica Lines: 30 > I have to agree with Larry; faking interest is being phony no matter what the purpose is. This is true whether sexual undertones exist (i.e. flirtation) or not. Various postings have made a claim that sounds suspiciously like `the ends justify the means'. I find this abhorrent, but such scheming is all too often `the rules of the game'. It depresses me that women have to adopt some of the more dishonorable characteristics of men in order to `succeed in a man's world'. Or do they? I guess I was just dreaming when I once thought that equality meant an intermingling and an opening up of sex roles, rather than just the ability of women to adopt the male sex roles they desire. And I thought it meant giving up the unfair advantages built into the traditional roles of either sex as well as shedding their restrictions. It is probably more pragmatic to exploit a male chauvinist's biases (thereby reinforcing them) than to attempt to `educate' him or simply to ignore the biases, but in light of the amorality implied by this exploitation any argument for `equality' is hollow. You can't achieve moral objectives--and I claim equality is one--through amoral means. In addition, the implications of calculated deception for ones own psychological well-being and the well-being of society in general are insidious and profound (but this is another issue entirely). -Ed Hall decvax!randvax!edhall