Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utcsrgv.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcsrgv!peterr From: peterr@utcsrgv.UUCP (Peter Rowley) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: M'lady vs. Ms., etc. Message-ID: <3953@utcsrgv.UUCP> Date: Wed, 18-Apr-84 03:20:32 EST Article-I.D.: utcsrgv.3953 Posted: Wed Apr 18 03:20:32 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 18-Apr-84 06:23:15 EST Organization: CSRG, University of Toronto Lines: 25 I have to disagree that titles are unimportant. I think that they are quite important, in at least a couple of ways. 1st, a name is a very personal thing. Isn't it just simple respect to follow someone's wishes on how they wish to be named? To not follow their wishes is to show a lack of respect, or insensitivity. Or worse. Titles are used to indicate social status-- often to indicate a level within a hierarchy (Father X, Bishop X, Archbishop X, ...). If someone is happy to be strongly identified with a particular group of people or social status, that's fine-- they can use the appropriate title to enforce the association. Calling someone Father Jones doesn't make him more of a priest, but it makes it an important part of his identity. But to use an unwanted title is to mess with someone's identity-- possibly a conscious or unconscious attempt at coercion to conform to the stereotypes of a particular class or social status or to denigrate someone by associating them with a negative image (racial slurs, for example). The "liberty" in life, liberty, etc. surely includes the freedom to define one's own identity, and to create a new title if necessary to express that identity (language is, after all, meant to serve us, not vice-versa). To slap a title on someone without their consent is to infringe on their liberty, in no small way (apart from being just plain rude). peter rowley