Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site ariel.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!harpo!ihnp4!houxm!hogpc!houti!ariel!norm From: norm@ariel.UUCP Newsgroups: net.ai Subject: Re: A topic for discussion, phil/ai persons. Message-ID: <630@ariel.UUCP> Date: Tue, 15-May-84 17:49:41 EDT Article-I.D.: ariel.630 Posted: Tue May 15 17:49:41 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 16-May-84 04:41:53 EDT References: <277@wxlvax.UUCP> Organization: AT&T-ISL, Holmdel, NJ Lines: 48 The computer needs to be able to distinguish between "metaphysically identical" and "essentially the same". This distinction is at the root of an old (2500 years?) Greek ship problem: Regarding Greeks ship problem: When a worn board is replaced by a new board, the ship is changed, but it is the same ship. The difference leaves the ship essentially the same but not identically the same. If all the boards of a ship are replaced one by one until the ship is entirely redone with new boards, it is still the same ship (essentially). Now, if all the old boards that had been removed were put together again in their original configuration so as to duplicate the new-board ship, would the new old-board ship be iden- tically or essentially the same as the original old-board ship? Assume nailless construction techniques were used thruout, and assume all boards always fit perfectly the same way every time. We now have two ships that are essentially the same as the original ship, but, I maintain, neither ship is identical to the original ship. The original ship's identity was not preserved, although its identity was left sufficiently unchanged so as to preserve the ship's essence. The ship put together with the previously-removed old boards is not identically the same as the original old-board ship either, no matter how carefully it is put together. It too is only essentially the same as the original ship. A colleague suggested that 'essence' in this case was contextual, and I tend to agree with him. Actually, even if the Greeks left the original ship alone, the ship's identity would change from one instant to the next. Even while remaining essentially the same, the fact that the ship exists in the context of (and in relation to) a changing universe is enough to vary the ship's identity from moment to mo- ment. The constant changes in the ship's characteristics are admittedly very subtle, and do not change the essential capacity/functionality/identity of the ship. Minute changes in a ships identity have 'essentially' no impact. Only a change sufficiently large (such as a small hole in the hull) have an essential impact. "Essence" has historically been considered metaphysical. In her "Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology" (see your local bookstore) Ayn Rand identified essence as epistemological rather than metaphysical. The implications of this identification are profound, and more than I want to get into in this article. Philosopher Leonard Peikoff's article "The Analytic-Synthetic Dichotomy", in the back of the newer editions of Rand's Intro to Obj Epist, shows how crucial the distinction between essence-as-metaphysical and essence-as-epistemological really is. Read Rand's book and see why the computer would have to make the same distinc- tion. That distinction, however, has to be made on the CONCEPTUAL level. I think Rand's discussion of concept-formation will probably convince you that it will be quite some time before man-made machinery is up to that... Norm Andrews, AT+T Information Systems (201)834-3685 vax135!ariel!norm