Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site oliven.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!akgua!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!hplabs!oliveb!olivej!oliven!chrisp From: chrisp@oliven.UUCP (Chris Prael) Newsgroups: net.auto Subject: Re: Who is Liable, ad nauseum... Message-ID: <146@oliven.UUCP> Date: Fri, 25-May-84 13:38:53 EDT Article-I.D.: oliven.146 Posted: Fri May 25 13:38:53 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 1-Jun-84 05:52:58 EDT Organization: Olivetti ATC, Cupertino, Ca Lines: 25 >>I maintain that these people were not irresponsible, and could reasonably >>have expected their cars to stay put when they shifted them into park. >>.... It's one of those "bug/feature" arguments. >>Jim Shankland This discussion really belongs in net.legal or net.flame. HOWEVER, if you really believe that the "victims" in your two examples were "not irresponsible" you have NO business behind the wheel of a motor vehicle of any sort! In both cases, the "victim" clearly failed to take reasonable and prudent precautions. And that is irresponsible! 1. It is not reasonable and prudent to leave the engine of an unattended vehicle running. 2. It is not reasonable and prudent to leave an unattended vehicle without setting the parking brake. I don't see any functional difference between the two people you cited and the drunken slob who crashed the Porsche 930 in San Diego. In each case the operator of the vehicle did not bother to pay attention to business. (Only an ignoramous would call any of these people drivers.) And that is what kills people. This does not mean that Ford did not muck it up thoroughly. Obviously they did. But Ford's foulup does not releave the nerds who got caught out by it from responsibility for their stupidity. Chris Prael