Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site pyuxa.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!pyuxww!pyuxa!wetcw From: wetcw@pyuxa.UUCP (T C Wheeler) Newsgroups: net.flame Subject: Re: belated reply--rent control & property Message-ID: <777@pyuxa.UUCP> Date: Tue, 29-May-84 08:57:26 EDT Article-I.D.: pyuxa.777 Posted: Tue May 29 08:57:26 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 1-Jun-84 21:24:53 EDT References: <7262@umcp-cs.UUCP> Organization: Bell Communications Research, Piscataway N.J. Lines: 61 [] I think that you will find that in the "going back to who owned it first category", most parcels of land were only held "in trust" by the government. The government did not own undeveloped land. In order to gain ownership of a piece of land, it was, and still is, a requirement that the land be improved in some manner. This holds for lands being homesteaded. If a certain level of improvement is not attained over a specified period of time, the land is returned to the public trust category. Land as personal property has been subject to the owners making improvements since time began. The social structure recognized this tenent by confering ownership of the land to the person who did the improvements. Many primative tribes recognized that they held the land "in trust". However, they also subscribed to the improvement theory in that parcels of land were given to those who were willing to make improvements. Thus, when settlers "first" arrived, they did buy some of those "improved" lands from the local tribes, though not at what could be considered fair value. As government developed, the government took over the responsibility for the unused land in the name of the public. Then, as more settlers arrived and spread West, the government would grant parcels of land to those who would improve that land. This is where "ownership" of land got its start. If you delve into the dim mists of the past, I think you will find that this method of land transfer has been going on since the first colonies of ain Growers made their way up the Danube and its tributaries to settle into communities. I am not trying to say that there have not been countless abuses in the way land ownership was gained, I am just pointing out that land ownership, in general, was a result of some improvement being made in the begining. That is, the first "owner" or person to settle on a parcel made some initial improvement and thus was eligible to "trade" those improvements. What they were doing was trading the work they had done on the land. This same approach can be used today to gain land for oneself in many places, notably in Alaska. If you feel hardy enough, you can homestead a parcel in Alaska, but you must improve the land in some stipulated manner or it will revert back to government trust after a period of time. The notion that land is not owned by anyone may be partially true, however, the improvements to the land ARE owned. Most states set real estate taxes on two things; the improvements and the land itself. For instance, if you put up a house on someone elses property, that person owns the house because it is an improvement to their land. This is the major reason for buying title insurance. If the house you built is on someone else's property, the insurance will pay you for the house and the other person gets to keep the house. It happened out on Long Island two years ago to some 20 families. I think I am getting off the track. What I am trying to say is that ownership of land is real as long as work is performed to improve that land. A great deal of land is still held by the government "in trust". The government also "owns" land, such as parks and recreation areas that were "improved". There are several categories of land ownership, but to say that land cannot be owned is just not true. T. C. Wheeler