Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site u1100a.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!pyuxww!u1100a!sr From: sr@u1100a.UUCP (Steven Radtke) Newsgroups: net.followup Subject: Discrimination against women based on actuarial tables Message-ID: <685@u1100a.UUCP> Date: Thu, 24-May-84 17:38:32 EDT Article-I.D.: u1100a.685 Posted: Thu May 24 17:38:32 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 31-May-84 19:19:28 EDT Organization: Bell Communications Research, Piscataway, NJ Lines: 38 The discussion about insurance companies has progressed to a discussion of how insurance companies use statistics to ensure themselves a profit by insuring a large, diverse population. The motivation for providing different pension plans (either benfits levels or contributions required) to men and women is the profit motive. There is no problem with the actuarial techniques per se; women as a group have a longer life expectancy than men at ever age and numerous studies support this. Take that as a fact. Where the SEXISM enters the policies is at an even earlier stage. Why should the population of plan members be divided into two groups on the basis of sex, rather than other distinguishing characteristics, e.g. life-prolonging behaviors related to diet, constitution, exercise, smoking, and drinking. If each person were evaluated and given a life expectancy by the insurance company based on current scientific understanding, then each person could contribute to or draw from the fund on this rational basis. Those people with long life expected could contribute more and those soon to depart less. That really SOUNDS stupid to me, compared to just paying female retirees less, which is to say the insurance companies have done an excellent job at propagandizing me. There is no reason why the diverse population should be catagorized by gender in an a priori fashion to attempt to distinguish sub-populations of greater and lesser life expectancy, except that it lowers the cost of doing business for the insurers. The most brilliant man I ever new said, "There's lies, damn lies, and statistics." I never new if that was an original quote or one of his own gems. Steven Radtke Bell Communications Research Good old New Jersey {ihnp4,houxm,pyux*}!u1100a!sr