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From: steven@qubix.UUCP (Steven Maurer)
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Subject: Re: On unc!tim: You don't *know* that!
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Date: Tue, 29-May-84 10:50:01 EDT
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>>   Steve's ramblings sound just like a sound made by a bloated
>>   horse relieving itself from it's non-eating end.  To match
>>   his phrasing, it was a bunch of commie-pinko raving.  He
>>   seems to like to call anything he disagrees with facist.  I'm
>>   sure he would not know a fascist from a football if one
>>   goosestepped over his nose.  In typical left wing fashion,
>>   he refuses to weigh the evidence.  Instead, he leaps to
>>   unfounded conclusions based on nothing more than some
>>   ephereal notion of "rights".  

	I seem to have offended your sensibilities, by quoting
    the current interpretation the bill of rights, and calling
    restrictions on freedom of speach and press, "fascist".

	Pardon me, perhaps I should have said "totalitarian".

	I myself, grieve at the right wing's continuing belief that
    liberty and freedom are a result of "commie-pinko" thinking.
    This is assuredly not the case, although I will admit that I
    would rather be a pesant in the USSR, than I would in El Salvador.


>>  "RIGHTS?  You ain't got no rights, you got privledges.  If
>>  you abuse those privledges, you ain't got them either, as
>>  long as I'm paying your salary."  This is essentially how
>>  it works out here in the real world.

	A publically funded university is hardly "the real world",
    as others have already noted.   A university is funded by the
    government, and therefore must follow the same restrictions
    that the government does.   While you are correct that a private
    institution does not have to follow the Bill of Rights or the
    Constitution, (private schools can teach relegion, for example),
    it does not follow that a public institution has the same right
    to restrict freedoms.


>>   Folks better get the idea that this net is a god given
>>   right out of their heads, it ain't.  If you want a free
>>   wheeling, no holds barred net, you better start one
>>   yourself.  I feel sure that if the leftys did, they would
>>   immediatly bar any comment from the right.  They have done
>>   this kind of thing before in the media, so why would a
>>   net be any different?

    I am not a "lefty", and would not bar anyone from saying
    anything.  I am a centerist.   However, if your rather
    abusive comments are any example of what you consider "comment
    from the right", I can see why you are dissatisfied with the
    current state of the media.  (As a side note, a leftist
    friend of mine accuses the US press of not telling the
    Sandinista side of the story -- refusing to publish all but
    the reagan administrations point of view on the matter).


>>   Finaly, Steve, calling everything you disagree with a facist plot,
>>   is just plain dumb.  Why not try to see the other side of
>>   a story before jumping into the flames.

>>   If there are to be flames about this article, please move them
>>   to net.flames where we can be more verbose and vicious.

	I prefer the cooler atmosphere of net.followup, and refuse
    to participate in juvinile name calling.  By the way, I call
    nothing a "plot", you made that from whole cloth yourself.  I
    only point out that certain ideas are simply older, debunked,
    ideas rewritten to appear more palatable.

    Steven Maurer