Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 exptools 1/6/84; site ihuxl.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!ihnp4!ihuxl!seifert From: seifert@ihuxl.UUCP (D.A. Seifert) Newsgroups: net.cooks,net.med Subject: Re: Heroin lite Message-ID: <1070@ihuxl.UUCP> Date: Tue, 1-May-84 08:26:24 EDT Article-I.D.: ihuxl.1070 Posted: Tue May 1 08:26:24 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 2-May-84 04:52:04 EDT References: <1057@ihuxl.UUCP> <645@u1100a.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville, IL Lines: 110 {adding net.med to the newsgroup list} > Refined sugar is good for you. No one has ever died from it. > In fact people who have a high amount of refined sugar in > their diet live longer. Natural sugar contains insecticides > and microorganisms which are harmful. If you would kindly read the books referenced at the end of this article, you will find references to people that *have* died from sugar, and that groups of people using refined sugar have higher incidence rates of many diseases than groups not using refined sugar. I would be most interested in reading about these "insecticides and microorganisms which are harmful" which you imply are present in *all* sources of natural sugar. References please? > Here's what I DO know, having read it in a couple of places > recently. Since I can't quote the sources, I suggest that you > not believe me completely, and research the subject yourselves. I *have* researched the subject myself, and have seen nothing to back up your claims. Please provide references. > Also, don't feed honey to babies because it contains > something related to botulism (either the spores or the toxin - > as I said, I don't remember completely. Look it up.) Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. Look it up where? > (Please don't insult my intelligence by using the above > words against me by saying that I have made a statement without > quoting references. Instead, use this as an example of how > to present information when you are unsure of its source, > but have reason to believe that it is factual.) > > Scott Orshan Gee, why not, Scott? You've just insulted *our* intelligence by flaming about my not quoting references (although if you would have *read* the article I did suggest reading the literature) and then proceed to do the exact same thing yourself! And then you try and claim that you're above your own rule! I would have liked to provide a list of references at the time, but my terminal is at the office and my references are at home. Anyway, here they are, these books should be available (in paperback, even!) at most bookstores and/or health food stores. They are written by MDs, but aimed at the lay public, so I think most people on the net should be able to understand them. 150 years ago, we ingested 2 lbs/year/person of sugar. Today we ingest 100-120 lbs/year/person. That's an *average*, folks! [1] [2] "...persons who ingest 160 pounds of sugar or more per year have sixteen times the chance at each age of developing coronary heart disease than those who ingest 60 pounds per year or less." [1] "Sugar provides nearly 25% of the calories in a typical diet." [2] "...contributing to obesity, causing dental caries, causing high blood pressure, raising serum triglycerides and cholestrol, decreasing longevity, and being a factor in allergies, kidney disease, and carbohydrate intolerance." [2] " [in Poland] The sugar intake quadrupled and the death rate quadrupled. [ over a ten-year period ] In Yugoslavia, exactly the same thing occured. The use of saturated fat went down more than any other country, but the sugar intake went up almost three to one, directly correlated with a threefold increase in the death rate." [2] "...sugar shortens the life-span of animals by one-fourth; reduces growth rate; increases deposition of fat; and increases the concentration in the blood of cholesterol, triglycerides, insulin, corticosteroid, and cortisol. It reduces glucose tolerance and so produces diabetes; it increases the size of the liver and kidneys and causes changes in their cells; it causes gallstones, causes dental decay, and produces atherosclerosis. It produces disturbed actions of blood platelets and blood clotting; increases acidity of gastric juice; causes a vitamin B deficit; and causes blindness, kidney failure, and sterility by producing thickened blocked capillaries serving vital organs." [2] [1] _V_i_t_a_m_i_n _C, _t_h_e _C_o_m_m_o_n _C_o_l_d _a_n_d _t_h_e _F_l_u Linus Pauling (Nobel Prize winner) (MD?) [2] _D_o_c_t_o_r _A_t_k_i_n_'_s _S_u_p_e_r_e_n_e_r_g_y _D_i_e_t Robert C. Atkins, MD Shirley Linde [3] _D_o_c_t_o_r _A_t_k_i_n_'_s _N_u_t_r_i_t_i_o_n _B_r_e_a_k_t_h_r_o_u_g_h Robert C. Atkins, MD [4] _N_u_t_r_i_t_i_o_n _A_l_m_a_n_a_c Nutrition Search, inc. [5] _D_i_e_t & _N_u_t_r_i_t_i_o_n, _a _h_o_l_i_s_t_i_c _a_p_p_r_o_a_c_h Rudolph Ballentine, MD [6] _H_y_p_o_g_l_y_c_e_m_i_a: _T_h_e _D_i_s_e_a_s_e _y_o_u_r _D_o_c_t_o_r _w_o_n_'_t _t_r_e_a_t Jeraldine Saunders Harvey M. Ross, MD Well, Scott, I believe this places the ball in your court. -- _____ /_____\ That auto-crossing beagle, /_______\ Snoopy |___| BMWCCA, Windy City Chapter ____|___|_____ ihnp4!ihuxl!seifert