Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 exptools 1/6/84; site ihuxq.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!mgnetp!ihnp4!ihuxq!ken From: ken@ihuxq.UUCP (ken perlow) Newsgroups: net.misc,net.philosophy Subject: Whither are we drifting? Message-ID: <939@ihuxq.UUCP> Date: Thu, 17-May-84 03:46:56 EDT Article-I.D.: ihuxq.939 Posted: Thu May 17 03:46:56 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 18-May-84 00:46:25 EDT Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville, IL Lines: 35 -- The rather consistent opinion about Tim Maroney and the net-- net use is a right, not a privilege, and he broke the rules, so he's just a cry-baby--makes me wonder about this fixation so many high-tech types have with order, apparently for its own sake. Yes, Tim did get what was coming to him. So too, and for much the same reasons of flouting privilege, did Galileo. Is this justice? There are rules, and not only don't you break them, you don't question them either. The "if you don't like it, go someplace else" argument is thus another popular netlandism. And indeed, most people engaged in intricate technology have very traditional lifestyles. Why? The other side of this question is: Why have recent movements for social and political change in America consistently failed to attract followers with technological expertise? Let me anticipate a few counter-examples. Although much more in the 30's than recently, the Communist Party has attracted scientists. And there is a sort-of commune, "The Farm" in Tennessee, which is very technically advanced. (Indeed, they made a bundle on an idiot's guide to CB radio.) Both organizations (honest, no comparison really intended) however, adopted extremely traditional lifestyles. Hierarchical, sexist, very neat and organized--here's your job, go do it. So I've been on both sides of the tribal-technological fence, and I've felt like an alien either way. As Gertrude Stein said (reportedly her last words), "What's the answer? On the other hand, what's the question?" -- *** *** JE MAINTIENDRAI ***** ***** ****** ****** 17 May 84 [28 Floreal An CXCII] ken perlow ***** ***** (312)979-7261 ** ** ** ** ..ihnp4!ihuxq!ken *** ***