Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site cornell.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!houxm!hogpc!houti!ariel!vax135!cornell!gtaylor From: gtaylor@cornell.UUCP Newsgroups: net.music Subject: Re: On classical separatism Message-ID: <7955@cornell.UUCP> Date: Thu, 3-May-84 10:42:31 EDT Article-I.D.: cornell.7955 Posted: Thu May 3 10:42:31 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 4-May-84 05:17:09 EDT References: <910@ihuxq.UUCP>, <7928@cornell.UUCP>, <916@ihuxq.UUCP> Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept. Lines: 43 I shall begin with a snappily written apology to Ken Perlow. Now that I go back and look carefully at my late-night posting, I can see that putting the little piece about "spacious logic" at the beginning of a rather serious bit of response might indeed look like one of those "you can't spell, what can you know?" bits. Bad move on my part. Fact was, it was the funniest typo I'd seen all week. If I try to look past that little oversight (and I would beg your indulgence here), it seems that we do agree that music does extend beyond its mere experience, which was all I was trying to say, though in a circumlocutionary way. However, one of the reasons that I went into such excruciating detail was out of some consideration for your response. You appeared pretty touchy about the whole "Jewish science" issue. I am not as acquainted with your past postings as I might be, but I wanted to take great pains in my response to suggest that my remarks were not motivated by some sort of proto-racism. I was simply concerned that your remarks would end the discussion prematurely (as I said in my last posting, you were responding to a "twisted" version of an entirely appropriate argument. You're entirely correct in taking exception, but I didn't feel it was the same species of statement). That is a common feature of life on the net, and its a shame to see a bit of insight lost in the midst of a flame (or, as you might say, in the midst of all this nonsnappy flatulence). I am asking you to accept that a bit of the pains I took to put everything three ways was motivated by a desire to be careful, and to engage you without offending you. It appears that I did so by being too careful. A classical gent out in California posted me a bit of private mail which reminded me that some of the very persons I was thinking of in formulating the last posting were, in fact, Jewish emigre's to this country. He found some irony in that that I don't entirely understand. ANybody know what he might have been talking about here? The Leverkuhn reference was a bit "too clever", but I was pretty sure you'd recognize it (sorry at how it looked, again). I am really hard pressed to come up with a better discussion of the dangers of separating Art and the world than Mann's "Doctor Faustus" (my wife reminded me to say a few nice things about Klaus Mann's "Mephisto" here as well). Regards, g(working to be careful without pedantry)taylor