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From: rlr@pyuxn.UUCP (Rich Rosen)
Newsgroups: net.music.classical
Subject: Re: cage comments
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Date: Wed, 2-May-84 11:03:26 EDT
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Posted: Wed May  2 11:03:26 1984
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> Rich Rosen's comment -
> "P.S.  About that minimalism discussion re John Cage.  Cage is one of
> the biggest artistic charlatans of our age, who has made the resulting
> sensual result of the artist's work less important than the "artist's
> conception and ideas".  Utter poppycock!!  There, more discussion of
> classical music!!  (Well, of a supposed classical musician, anyway...)"
> 
> My response -
> My understanding of Cage's work, leads me to believe that you have
> things backwards. By using chance procedures (flipping coins, using
> the imperfections on the paper, consulting the I CHING), Cage assures
> that NONE of his ideas, conceptions, emotions, etc. come through. The
> result is pure SOUND - devoid of both expressive and intellectual
> manipulation.  [MALIK]

Pure sound is what comes from natural circumstances.  If you want pure
sound devoid of "human" expressive and intellectual manipulation,
go to a game preserve.

Art is by its very nature the expressive and intellectual manipulation of
sensory media BY HUMAN BEINGS.  It is not a part of what some would call
"the natural order of things", it is an expressive attempt to create
a new order of things.  To choose to negate human intervention is to negate
art itself.
-- 
"Submitted for your approval..."		  Rich Rosen    pyuxn!rlr