Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site unc.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!akgua!mcnc!unc!tim From: tim@unc.UUCP (Tim Maroney) Newsgroups: net.news Subject: Censorship: A Case History (part 2, 24 Jan 84 to 26 Jan 84) Message-ID: <7196@unc.UUCP> Date: Mon, 7-May-84 22:52:40 EDT Article-I.D.: unc.7196 Posted: Mon May 7 22:52:40 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 9-May-84 01:26:28 EDT Organization: CS Dept., U. of N. Carolina at Chapel Hill Lines: 313 From root Mon Feb 27 16:09:22 EST 1984 Date: 24 Jan 84 14:03:54 EST (Tue) From: Capt. Ralph A. Mason Subject: spring semester work To: tim@unc Cc: fpb@unc, rts@unc Status: RO I have not put you on the payroll or looked for a desk for you as you have not answered my question--Can you or do you want to work under the restrictions on cs net usage. From root Mon Feb 27 16:09:22 EST 1984 Date: 24 Jan 84 14:19:19 EST (Tue) From: Tim Maroney Subject: Re: spring semester work To: Capt. Ralph A. Mason Cc: smb@ulysses, tas@unc, rts@unc, fpb@unc In-Reply-To: Message of 24 Jan 84 14:03:54 EST (Tue) from mason@unc Status: RO Date: 24 Jan 84 14:03:54 EST (Tue) From: Capt. Ralph A. Mason Subject: spring semester work To: tim@unc Cc: fpb@unc, rts@unc I have not put you on the payroll or looked for a desk for you as you have not answered my question--Can you or do you want to work under the restrictions on cs net usage. I definitely will work under whatever restrictions are imposed, so please add me to the payroll. However, when a restriction is unfair, I will protest it as an employee, as I am doing now. I trust that this will be acceptable to you. I have not answered that question because you have not answered one of the objections to the restriction. Tim Seaver pointed out in the middle of last week that there is effectively no monetary expense in my use of the networks. You have not responded to this evidence, despite the fact that your arguments have centered around the cost issue. Please do so. I might also add that your restriction would be accepted without question if it were, as you have stated above, a restriction on CSNET usage, since I rarely if ever use CSNET. However, it is not: it is a blanket restriction on all the networking facilities we have, including USENET. CSNET costs us money, but USENET costs us no money. It is USENET which I use. From root Mon Feb 27 16:09:22 EST 1984 Date: 24 Jan 84 14:23:08 EST (Tue) From: Tim Maroney Subject: news and mail ban To: mason@unc Cc: smb@ulysses, tas@unc, rts@unc, fpb@unc Status: RO I should add that I have been abiding by the terms of the restriction since I was told of it, and I am not at all pleased that my much-needed paycheck has been delayed without reason, since I have been performing exactly as requested. From root Mon Feb 27 16:09:22 EST 1984 Date: 24 Jan 84 14:45:00 EST (Tue) From: Tim Maroney Subject: paycheck To: rts@unc Status: RO Apparently Capt. Mason is attempting to use my paycheck to compel surrender. Could you please point out that I have been working the correct number of hours, under all restrictions as imposed, since I was informed of the RAship? I deserve to be paid on time without this withholding of money. I have been acting exactly as I have been told to. (I am also beginning to get very angry, but hopefully I am succeeding in concealing this.) From root Mon Feb 27 16:09:22 EST 1984 Date: 25 Jan 84 21:24:03 EST (Wed) From: Tim Maroney Subject: the ban To: smb@ulysses Status: RO If you would like, I will send you a copy of a file of messages in which the charges are explained and refuted, and the evidence refuting them is ignored by the administrators. It is roughly 400 lines long. If you would prefer, the file is generally readable as unc!/unc/tim/THE-BAN. I don't think this will tell you much, but it is available by whatever means. I hope you will decide to help me. This whole affair is unbelievable. -- Tim Maroney, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill duke!unc!tim (USENET), tim.unc@csnet-relay (ARPA) From root Mon Feb 27 16:09:22 EST 1984 Date: 25 Jan 84 21:51:47 EST (Wed) From: Tim Maroney Subject: paycheck To: brooks@unc Cc: rts@unc, mason@unc Status: RO Dear Dr. Brooks, Did you authorize Capt. Mason to withhold my paycheck if I protested the restriction on my use of network facilities? He appears to think you did, since he has deliberately delayed putting me on the payroll. I have been abiding by the restriction (albeit under protest), and I have been working the full 20 hours every week, performing satisfactory work. Rick has been operating under the assumption that I have already been hired, as have I; this is due to your letter of 11 Jan 84 informing me that I had been hired. There can be no justification, legal or moral, for failing to pay me or for delaying such payment, and I would appreciate it very much if you would ask Capt. Mason again to add me to the payroll. Please note that this is a completely separate issue from the fairness of the restriction itself. Pay may be withheld only on grounds of inadequate job performance; such grounds have not been raised, and they would not stand up if they were. Please pardon my somewhat acerbic tone, but I do need to be paid, and I have earned the money under the agreed-upon terms, so this has got me at wit's end. Tim Maroney From root Mon Feb 27 16:09:22 EST 1984 From: smb@ulysses Date: Thu, 26 Jan 84 11:28:36 est From: ulysses!smb (Steven Bellovin) Message-Id: <8401261628.AA00999@ulysses.UUCP> Received: by ulysses.UUCP (4.12/3.7) id AA00999; Thu, 26 Jan 84 11:28:36 est To: unc!tim Subject: restriction Via: Ulysses; 26 Jan 84 11:33-EDT Status: RO I've been trying to figure out the most effective way I can intervene on your behalf. The best solution might be if you filed a complaint with the student-faculty grievance committee (which to my knowledge has always existed but never met during my 10 years there....); as part of the proceedings, you could undoubtedly cite letters from me, tas, etc., testifying that (a) you aren't incurring expense to the department; and (b) your behavior does not in any way bring down the reputation of the department academically; and (c) the only ways your conduct is different is that you express unconventional political and religious beliefs, actions which are constitutionally protected. From root Mon Feb 27 16:09:22 EST 1984 Date: 25 Jan 84 22:48:00 EST (Wed) From: Frederick P. Brooks Jr. Subject: Re: paycheck To: Tim Maroney Cc: rts@unc, mason@unc Status: RO My take is that he asked you if you accepted the job under the restrictions he imposed, and that you never explicitly accepted it. Apparently you implictly accepted it, but did you tell him so? From root Mon Feb 27 16:09:22 EST 1984 Date: 26 Jan 84 17:32:18 EST (Thu) From: Tim Maroney Subject: Re: restriction To: smb@ulysses In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 26 Jan 84 11:28:36 est from smb@ulysses <8401261628.AA00999@ulysses.UUCP> Status: RO I am not going to take the step of filing a formal complaint unless it is absolutely necessary, and I was hoping that your help would make that necessity less probable. A simple letter to Mason, cc'ed to Brooks, Rick, and myself (and possibly tas) in which you testify as to the truth of the three points you made in your letter, would be the best thing I could ask for at this stage. Thanks for your decision to help. From root Mon Feb 27 16:09:22 EST 1984 Date: 26 Jan 84 18:02:48 EST (Thu) From: Tim Maroney Subject: Re: paycheck To: Frederick P. Brooks Jr. Cc: rts@unc, mason@unc In-Reply-To: Message of 25 Jan 84 22:48:00 EST (Wed) from brooks@unc Status: RO Date: 25 Jan 84 22:48:00 EST (Wed) From: Frederick P. Brooks Jr. Subject: Re: paycheck To: Tim Maroney Cc: rts@unc, mason@unc My take is that he asked you if you accepted the job under the restrictions he imposed, and that you never explicitly accepted it. Apparently you implictly accepted it, but did you tell him so? Although the implicit acceptance of the restriction by accepting the job should have been enough, I also explicitly accepted the restriction. The question which Capt. Mason asked was not put forth until his letter of this Tuesday, after a week-long hiatus caused by his failure to respond to the evidence of Tim Seaver. Immediately upon receiving this letter, I wrote back to him explaining that I had accepted the restriction. Until this Tuesday, I had no idea that he thought I had not accepted the job; my letter to you in response to your letter of the 11th makes it quite clear that I had, and both Rick and myself operated under the assumption that I had. There was no implication from Capt. Mason that I had not been hired, until this Tuesday. In short, then, he did not ask any such thing until Tuesday, and on Tuesday I did explicitly accept the restriction. He has still taken no action, despite this. I repeat that I have been employed here since the 11th, I have fulfilled all the duties and restrictions imposed in my hiring, and have had my paycheck withheld. I am certain that this violates the law as well as minimal standards of fairness. I have made it clear to Capt. Mason that the restriction is accepted (under protest, pending his review of evidence from Tim Seaver); still, he has not placed me on the payroll, although he has had more than two days to do so since my explicit acceptance was received. Please instruct Capt. Mason that he was in error when he failed to place me on the payroll, and that this must be rectified as soon as possible. Finally, I am somewhat upset by your accusation that I have not answered his question, when in fact I have always promptly answered every question of his; it is he who has made a policy of not responding to mine, even on vital issues such as the source of his figures on my alleged CSNET expenditures. -- Tim Maroney, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill duke!unc!tim (USENET), tim.unc@csnet-relay (ARPA) From root Mon Feb 27 16:09:22 EST 1984 Date: 26 Jan 84 21:39:51 EST (Thu) From: Frederick P. Brooks Jr. Subject: Re: paycheck To: Tim Maroney Cc: fpb@unc, rts@unc, mason@unc Status: RO Calm yourself, I haven't accused you of anything. I told you my understanding of the situation and *asked* you if it was correct. As to the two days to act, Capt. Mason was completely absorbed in an urgent budget on Wednesday and on vacation Thursday and Friday. Nothing will happen before Monday. As for "withholding your paycheck", no such action has happened. No matter who moved the system, if you accepted a job on the 11th, you wouldn't get a paycheck during January because of the delays in the system. You may recall that a job has to be created for you, or at least, it did last I heard the status of the matter. If you started real work for Prof. Snodgrass on January 11, you will eventually get a check covering the period beginning January 11. I recall carefully explaining to you that getting you on the payroll would take time, when we discussed the whole matter in December. If eating money is the problem, we shall be glad to make an advance from the Bardez Loan fund, or I will make a personal advance. From root Mon Feb 27 16:09:22 EST 1984 Date: 26 Jan 84 21:49:17 EST (Thu) From: Tim Maroney Subject: Re: paycheck To: Frederick P. Brooks Jr. Cc: rts@unc, mason@unc, fpb@unc In-Reply-To: Message of 26 Jan 84 21:39:51 EST (Thu) from brooks@unc Status: RO I did not expect a paycheck in January. However, Capt. Mason's deliberate delay in adding me to the payroll has moved my expected first paycheck back from the Feb. 3 date he originally cited to the next payday. Please tell me where I can find information on the Bardez Loan fund. Can I take your response to mean that Capt. Mason should add me to the payroll ASAP, and that he has been instructed of this? From root Mon Feb 27 16:09:22 EST 1984 Date: 26 Jan 84 22:10:46 EST (Thu) From: Frederick P. Brooks Jr. Subject: Re: paycheck To: Tim Maroney Cc: brooks@unc, rts@unc, mason@unc Status: RO Come see me about the Bardez loan fund, or send mail as to how much you need. Repayment is due when you get your check; no interest. The fund is described in a notice on one of the obscure bulletin boards downstairs. Since Captain Mason is out of town, I have neither discussed the matter with him nor instructed him concerning anything. Nor will I until Monday, and not then until discussing it with him. From root Mon Feb 27 16:09:22 EST 1984 Date: 26 Jan 84 22:20:37 EST (Thu) From: Tim Maroney Subject: Re: paycheck To: Frederick P. Brooks Jr. Cc: rts@unc, mason@unc, brooks@unc In-Reply-To: Message of 26 Jan 84 22:10:46 EST (Thu) from brooks@unc Status: RO Thank you for your help. I am not happy about the delay until Monday, but there is obviously no alternative at this point. I will get back to you on the Bardez loan.