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From: osd@hou2d.UUCP (Orlando Sotomayor-Diaz)
Newsgroups: net.news,net.news.group
Subject: Re: If I see one more yes vote, I'll whimper!
Message-ID: <395@hou2d.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 30-May-84 09:07:06 EDT
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Posted: Wed May 30 09:07:06 1984
Date-Received: Fri, 1-Jun-84 07:49:19 EDT
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Chuq,

Alternatives have been proposed, for example, the tiredgroups
idea that would liberalize the creation of new subgroups without
overburding the systems.  Another idea was the temporary group
with a builtin time bomb.  These require some software modifications
and all the technical issues must be resolved, though in the
case of the tiredgroup proposal, the issues are now well identified.

Your idea about a group of people making those decisions about
what groups come into being and what don't is not new either,
and because of the nature of the USENET community, is not going to
fly. Horton himself rejected it already.

About voting:  This is one of the reasons I support better software
based proposals for making USENET a dynamic beast, and people, please
come up with more.  Voting to the proponent of a new group has never
worked for several reasons:

a. People can't reply (or don't know how to reply) to the originator
   of the proposal for a new group.
b. Mail gets lost far too often, so some people prefer to make a public
   disclosure of their vote.
c. Politics gets in the way and some with strong feelings in favor or
   against a new group will make their opinion public anyway hoping
   to influence others.
d. Nobody trusts the vote count anyway.

So, let's think about automating the process of creating new groups
and maintaining them with little impact on system load.  You are
in the software business, so think automation, not manual intervention.
-- 
Orlando Sotomayor-Diaz	/AT&T Bell Laboratories, Crawfords Corner Road
			/Holmdel, New Jersey, 07733 (Room 3M 325)
Tel: 201-949-1532	/UUCP: {{{ucbvax,decvax}!}{ihnp4,harpo}!}hou2d!osd