Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site stolaf.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!ihnp4!stolaf!johnsons From: johnsons@stolaf.UUCP (Scott W. Johnson) Newsgroups: net.philosophy Subject: Re:Re: Can computers think? - (nf) Message-ID: <1710@stolaf.UUCP> Date: Thu, 17-May-84 12:11:45 EDT Article-I.D.: stolaf.1710 Posted: Thu May 17 12:11:45 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 18-May-84 06:55:54 EDT Organization: St. Olaf College, Northfield MN Lines: 18 Computers are NOT "effectively Turing machines." Turing proposed his test to answer the question, Can computers think? In the literature that I have studied, no psychologist or computer scientist even claims that there is a machine now that passes Turing's test satisfactorily. I am not a mind/body dualist. However, the people who claim that computers can think seem off hand themselves to be dualists. They separate a mental process, thinking, from the physical organism and give it to a computer, saying that a computer can indeed think. This seems to me absurd logic. Thinking cannot be surgically removed from the biological organism; to do so is to create a monumental blunder, the very same blunder Descartes made in creating the mind/body dualism in the first place. And he I repeat myself--we we understand the word "thinking" we understand it in terms of certain criteria, those criteria being observable behavior; talking, writing, acting logically. The computer possesses none of the behavior that we normally ascribe to the word "thinking." In this sense, computers do not think as we think. They do not partake of our language, our understanding of what it means to think.