Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 beta 3/9/83; site cosivax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!akgua!mcnc!decvax!harpo!ulysses!gamma!mb2c!uofm-cv!cosivax!dzd From: dzd@cosivax.UUCP Newsgroups: net.physics,net.philosophy Subject: Re: Big Banging Message-ID: <156@cosivax.UUCP> Date: Sat, 12-May-84 23:34:29 EDT Article-I.D.: cosivax.156 Posted: Sat May 12 23:34:29 1984 Date-Received: Mon, 14-May-84 01:13:55 EDT Organization: COSI, Ann Arbor, MI Lines: 119 <> Let me begin by stating that I favor a minority view and tend to agree more with brl-vgr!gwyn than utastro!ethan. My reasons are not so much based on simple physics or astrophysics as they are on plain aversion to singularities, whether big bangs, renormalizations or (relatively) small whimpers -- black holes. Such a principle is clearly "meta-physical" but I believe we too sharply discriminate between physical science and philosophy anyway. [note the newsgroups to which I have posted this] I would like to cite three references on several sides of these issues: 1) A. Eddington, "Universal Theory" 2) Kantor, "Information Mechanics" 3) ?, "Cosmology, Physics and Philosophy" The third is by an Israeli professor at U of Haifa but I can't remember his name. When published, Eddington's book was considered trash, probably the result of senility. Eddington was inconsiderate enough to die with this book only half done and, I believe it was Wittaker (of Wittaker & Watson) who finished it as best he could from Eddington's notes etc. A major theme is the connection between cosmological theories, data, etc. and microscopic ones. This was an extremely unpopular view in that day though very faddish now. It tries to take seriously several things: 1) Einstein knew what he was doing in looking for Unified Field 2) Einstein did not reject completely the Cosmological Constant but rather his too hasty evaluation of it. In particular, he wanted to keep open the possiblity of a gravitating vacuum energy. I believe this is what his pursuit of Unified Field Theory was all about. I wish they would get on with publishing his notes, letters etc. 3) All the "negative" principles -- uncertainty, finite speed of light, etc. and *finite current size* of universe. Notice that under all variation of big bang theories, current universe is of finite size. This point seems to me to be under-appreciated by the "standard" cosmologists nowadays. Reference 3) is by a proponent of the current "mainstream" in the sense that he is a big banger but also he is somewhat out of that stream in advocating a tighter union of physics and philosophy. I think his book is an excellent summary of the evidence, ideology and philosophy of big bangers plus it has some interesting and provocative speculations toward Unified Field Theory. But it seems to me to ignore the finiteness of the universe and what that might mean for metrology, especially wrt a standard for length. Eddington had a lot to say on this but it is so obscured within counting possible states of high-order tensors that I have never been able to figure out what he means. BTW, I don't think Wittaker figured it out either, but just reproduced it as best he could. Finally, there is reference 2) which came out about four years ago and has been completely ignored as far as I can find out. It is either completely crackpot or the **ANSWER**. It proceeds from simple assumptions including finiteness of universe and the implications of this in terms of Non-Relativistic Quantum Electrodynamics (NRQE), i.e., the most accurately verified branch of physics by many orders of magnitude. This leads to a self-gauging universe with a vacuum energy that gravitates -- in particular, the vacuum gravity affects the STANDING WAVES associated with at least two photons so as to bind them such that the quantum states of the result are determined by allowed wavelengths devired by boundary conditions from finite universe. This bound bunch of photons are what we call a particle. From this, he goes on to derive mass, charge, spin, etc. properties of various "elementary" particles from first principles. [Eddington did some of this too, but to a lesser extent]. Of course, this is a Super Grand Unified Theory since it subsumes all four "forces". Its main appeal to me is that it contains *NO* singularities. Also, it deals with position, what it means, its quantification, quantization and relation to gravity and the "forward" coupling from mass to geometry. I would particularly be interested to hear from anybody who has read Information Mechanics and what they think of it. I think both IM and Eddington's stuff have great merit but, for Eddington, was too far ahead of its time. I summarize my understanding of these approaches by asking this critical question: "How does an electron know how big it's supposed to be?" Answer in the spirit of Eddington and Info Mech: "By sitting at the center of the universe, reaching out and pushing against the edges" Answer in the current "consensus" view: AHEM! ----------------------------------------------------------------- BTW: If you think this question is dumb, remember that modern scientific cosmology began when somebody [Hubble?] asked: "Why is the sky dark at night?" ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dean Douthat [All opinions are my own. I have no connection with COSI except as a guest on their vax.] UUCP: ...!sb1!mb2c!uofm-cv!cosivax!dzd | Mail: Zahntron, Inc. Ma: (313) 995-9762 | 330 E. 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