Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site utastro.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!harpo!seismo!ut-sally!utastro!ethan From: ethan@utastro.UUCP (Ethan Vishniac) Newsgroups: net.physics Subject: really elementary particles Message-ID: <281@utastro.UUCP> Date: Mon, 14-May-84 18:20:16 EDT Article-I.D.: utastro.281 Posted: Mon May 14 18:20:16 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 16-May-84 03:35:47 EDT Organization: UTexas Astronomy Dept., Austin, Texas Lines: 36 [If this is the answer, what was the question?] The question has recently arisen, in connection with the cosmology debate, on the extent to which one can imagine that all known particles are merely composities of some very simple structures. There is an article in a recent SciAm on this topic (sorry, don't remember the month). The essential problem is as follows. It is now widely believed that baryons and mesons are composite particles made up of quarks whose interactions are mediated by gluons. In this picture we have 3 "generations" of particles which for leptons are electrons, muons, and tau particles with their accompanying neutrinos, and for quarks are three pairs (up/down, strange/charm, top/bottom [ or truth/beauty]). In addition, there exist various particles (photons, W and Z bosons, gluons, and gravitons) that mediate the forces of nature. This may simply be some small fraction of a larger picture. The question has naturally arisen: could these particles represent the rearrangement of few basic particles (called preons or rishons or ...). The major difficulty is that the effective "size" of quark is very small and the mass of a up or down quark is only a fraction of a proton mass. In order to fit smaller particles inside a quark they must have tremendous momentum (Heisenberg uncertainty principal del p x del x is less than Planck's constant). Therefore they must have a large energy, which in turn corresponds to a mass which is much greater than the mass of the quark into which they fit. It is not clear how to make this work. "Just another Cosmic Cowboy" Ethan Vishniac {ut-sally,ut-ngp,kpno}!utastro!ethan Department of Astronomy University of Texas Austin, Texas 78712