Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!akgua!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!hplabs!sri-unix!crummer@AEROSPACE From: crummer%AEROSPACE@sri-unix.UUCP Newsgroups: net.physics Subject: Time machines/Tipler/black holes (long!) Message-ID: <1174@sri-arpa.UUCP> Date: Thu, 24-May-84 12:23:12 EDT Article-I.D.: sri-arpa.1174 Posted: Thu May 24 12:23:12 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 1-Jun-84 03:09:43 EDT Lines: 17 From: Charlie Crummer Your statements about frames where photons don't move makes me leery of the rest of your statements. Of course there is a whole lot of stuff that you say that requires careful mathematical scrutiny. Have you really verified (mathematically) all the things you say? According to SR and GR the speed of light is the same for all observers. What changes is the observed frequency of the light (Doppler shift). SR and GR are both based on the hypothesis that the Laws of Physics, i.e. the Lagrangian, are invariant under Lorentz transformations; global ones for SR and local ones varying smoothly from event to event for GR. This stuff is all very delicate and the invariance mentioned above, called gauge invariance, must be maintained. It is way too complicated and elegant to be treated glibly (witness Sarfatti). --Charlie