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From: zrm@mit-eddie.UUCP
Newsgroups: net.followup,net.politics
Subject: Re: moskvax, kremvax and kgbvax on the net
Message-ID: <1717@mit-eddie.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 1-May-84 18:40:51 EDT
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Posted: Tue May  1 18:40:51 1984
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Not all VAXen get stopped. While the netnews addresses were a fine joke,
I would like to point out that lots of big, heavy computing equi[ment
does make it to the Soviet Union, including VAXen and Unix sources.
I used to work at an oufit called the International Institute for
Applied Systems Analysis, near Vienna, Austria. One reason why this
country no longer directly supports U.S. scientists at the IIASA is that
just too much blatant technology filching went on there. Some of it was
even quite comical: one incident involved an East European "spy" paying
off a West European "scientist" for North Sea oil data that was quite
publicly available and unclassified.

It was also quite amusing (since I was technical support staff) to watch
a bunch of mostly second-rate scientific staff wring their hand over
detent. I got to see country-club liberalism at its worst, and a country
club it was: I shared a large corner office with one other programmer. It
had floor-to-cieling french windows and overlooked a several-acre large
lawn on which deer would frolic in the early morning. The biulding used
to be a Hapsburg summer palace and was on the edge of a huge park. Oh
those public sector jobs!

-Zig