Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site teldata.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!harpo!seismo!hao!hplabs!tektronix!uw-beaver!teltone!teldata!shad From: shad@teldata.UUCP (Warren N. Shadwick) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: Participative Democracy Message-ID: <327@teldata.UUCP> Date: Tue, 1-May-84 13:23:55 EDT Article-I.D.: teldata.327 Posted: Tue May 1 13:23:55 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 4-May-84 03:14:32 EDT Organization: Teltone Corp., Kirkland, WA Lines: 41 * There has been a discussion started about democracies and their comparative value. Such concepts were well known by the men who wrote our present Constitution. In fact there are records of Thomas Jefferson, who was in Europe at the time and therefore could not participate, sending volumes of material on comparative forms of government to the men who were to sit through the long hot summer of 1787 drafting the Constitution. Don't think for one minute that the form of government that was chosen was done for light and transient reasons. I have a friend whose opinion I somewhat endorse that the form of government that was finally selected (limited, representative republic) was the confirmation of the principle that no one really trusts anyone else and the best way to preserve the freedoms and rights given to us by "Nature and Nature's God (see Declaration of Independence) was to severely limit the government. As Thomas Jefferson aptly remarked, "Tie them down with the chains of the Constitution so they can do no mischief." Somehow are government has loosed these bonds (I think it is truly because the rightful soveriegns, the People, have been negligent in holding the government to the contract). Participative democracies are only a way to force the will of a few people (or even a majority) on the rest of the people. Another term for democracy is 'mobocracy': the rule of the mob. James Madison noted quite acurately in the "Federalist Papers" that democracies have been as short in their lives as they are violent in their deaths. If anyone should doubt this, there is plenty of evidence in history. The best most recent examples of this are the several French revolutions. A most lucid argument against democracies is presented in the book "The Law" by Fredrick Bastiat. Yours always in freedom, Warren N. Shadwick