Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site opus.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!harpo!seismo!hao!cires!nbires!opus!rcd From: rcd@opus.UUCP (Dick Dunn) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: Annotated Humanist (Bottom of the 3rd Inning) Message-ID: <485@opus.UUCP> Date: Wed, 16-May-84 04:48:19 EDT Article-I.D.: opus.485 Posted: Wed May 16 04:48:19 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 18-May-84 07:36:16 EDT References: <1095@qubix.UUCP> Organization: NBI, Boulder Lines: 24 Bickford is off and flaming at the humanists again: >I am not opposed to "freedom, justice, and peace." But the humanist >version of each of them isn't. Freedom is the desire and ability to do >what you should; the humanist version is pure license. Humanist justice >keeps the criminals on the streets and people behind barred windows. >Humanistic peace is accomplished through total domination (their >"universal society"; let's hear it for local control). Well, this part of Bickford's writing belongs in net.flame. He's so full of blind hatred for "humanism" (even though he doesn't even seem to under- stand the very basics) that he has to blame every social ill, be it real or imagined, on the humanists. <> Give him half a chance and he'll be out witch-hunting humanists, loading them into paddywagons or cattlecars to cart them off to jails or some other place where they can be kept out of the way. <> Since when is "freedom" the desire and ability to do what you should? Or are we making up our own rules and definitions again? Freedom implies a lack of constraint, necessity, etc. I don't see humanists advocating unabridged freedom - try freedom tempered with justice, responsibility, and all. -- ...A friend of the devil is a friend of mine. Dick Dunn {hao,ucbvax,allegra}!nbires!rcd (303) 444-5710 x3086