Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 exptools 1/6/84; site ihlts.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!mgnetp!ihnp4!ihlts!lied From: lied@ihlts.UUCP (Bob Lied) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: Challenge to Humanist/Materialists Message-ID: <469@ihlts.UUCP> Date: Sat, 19-May-84 01:42:25 EDT Article-I.D.: ihlts.469 Posted: Sat May 19 01:42:25 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 19-May-84 07:09:27 EDT References: <779@akgua.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville, IL Lines: 19 Aarrgh! Why does every challenge to humanism include the assertion that humanism is selfish? It is not. The fundamental rule of humanism is the Golden Rule. The idea is simple: we have enough intelligence to foresee some of the results of our actions. Therefore, we choose the actions that seem the most beneficial. We can make this choice entirely based on our previous experiences and our ability to reason about the results. The reasoning includes considering effects on other people and society in general. We do not need the heavy baggage of absolute good and evil; we do not need the heavy baggage of faith in untestable beliefs; we do not need the heavy baggage of threat of punishment. Humanism has flaws, but selfishness is not one of them. Maybe next time I'll even answer the question that was asked :-). Bob Lied ihnp4!ihlts!lied