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From: rao@utcsstat.UUCP (Eli Posner)
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Subject: Re: Yom Ha'atzmaut
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Date: Wed, 16-May-84 20:59:55 EDT
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Posted: Wed May 16 20:59:55 1984
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From: hbb@houxt.UUCP
>I heard from Rabbi Rakefet in Israel, that  there  is  a  special
>reason  that  the  Satmar  Rebbe  opposed  the State of Israel in
>addition to reasons relating to any violations that  the  secular
>government had made or might make.
>
>He claimed that in Europe, the Satmar Rebbe had a 'Talmid Muvhak'
>(or  a  prize  student  -  roughly translated,) that emigrated to
>Israel and was killed on the way. The Satmar Rebbe took this as a
>'simmon'  (a sign) that it was not proper for the Jews to attempt
>to set up a community until the comming of the Messianic period.

Hold it one minute here! Let me get this straight: his student died on the
way to Eretz Israel, therefore Midinat Yisrael is bad. Very interesting.
Well, I just lost the last few drops of respect for the Satmar 'Rav'. Please
tell me that this story is not true, because it is plain Loshon Horoh.
Houxt!hbb, you just made the Satmar rav look like a fool!

I don't think a personal tragedy is enough to make important and influential
decisions like the one the Satmar Rav has made .

In addition, who is the Satmar Rav to decide what's good or what's bad
especially against something which is so obviously prescribed ot us
beforehand.

Hey, if the Satmar Rav is so keen on Simmonim, why does he ignore the obvious
ones: 1) Israel blossoming only once it's in Jewish hands
      2) Kibbutz Goliot
      3) 1948 War - militarily impossible for the Jews to have won; but we did
      4) 1967 - speaks for itself. Yerushalim returned to the Jews
      5) Lebanon War - the dogfights and tank battles with Syria can not
                       be anything besides a miracle. To be honest, I don't
                       think the Israeli soldier is 100 times superior to the
 		Syrian soldier, but 86 to 1 was the score.
And so on and so on.....
Also, who says the Talmid's death was a bad sign? Death <> bad.
Hey, what does one thing have to do with the other? My student
dies going to Israel therefore Israel is bad? Is this bad
logic , or am I missing something?
-- 
Eli Posner
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