Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1.chuqui 4/7/84; site nsc.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!akgua!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!hplabs!nsc!chuqui From: chuqui@nsc.UUCP (Chuq Von Rospach) Newsgroups: net.sf-lovers Subject: Re: Sf or fantasy -- who cares?? Message-ID: <904@nsc.UUCP> Date: Thu, 3-May-84 12:32:22 EDT Article-I.D.: nsc.904 Posted: Thu May 3 12:32:22 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 9-May-84 03:00:51 EDT References: <7581@decwrl.UUCP> Organization: National Semiconductor, Sunnyvale Lines: 26 The biggest problem I have with trying to split SF and fantasy is how we decide what is what. There are very few books that can be considered 'pure' in either respect. 2001 is about as pure a SF book as you will find, and 'Wizard of Oz' (remember that one? Or am I the only person to have read it? :->) is about as pure a fantasy as you will find. 'Tea with the Black Dragon' may be mostly fantasy, but there are SF trappings. Of course it could also be mainly SF with some fantastic trappings. It depends upon whether you want to base your definitions on the society (highly computerized, etc...) or the character of Oolong (the only thing that doesn't fit the SF mold, but very important). I believe it was Ben Bova who said that the only definition of SF that works is when you point at something and say 'That is SF'. I think the same is true of fantasy (is 'Mists of Avalon' fantasy or historical fiction?). You have to realize that in most cases we all point in different directions. Trying to separate SF from fantasy is like trying to step on only dark grains of sand at the beach. Not only do the grains keep moving, but it is very hard to tell the difference between the dark grains and the light grains at any useful distance. chuq -- From high above Benden weyr, Ch'qui, rider of the plaid dragon Plugh! Chuq Von Rospach {amd70,fortune,hplabs,ihnp4}!nsc!chuqui (408) 733-2600 x242 ninety nine dead baboons, sitting in my living room...