Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site rochester.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!ittvax!dcdwest!sdcsvax!akgua!clyde!burl!hou3c!hocda!houxm!houxz!vax135!floyd!cmcl2!seismo!rochester!stuart From: stuart@rochester.UUCP Newsgroups: net.sf-lovers Subject: FTL does not create paradoxes - future not past Message-ID: <7162@rochester.UUCP> Date: Tue, 29-May-84 11:19:10 EDT Article-I.D.: rocheste.7162 Posted: Tue May 29 11:19:10 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 1-Jun-84 07:37:33 EDT Sender: stuart@rochester.UUCP Organization: U. of Rochester, CS Dept. Lines: 43 From: Stuart Friedberg References: <3894@utzoo.UUCP>, <937@dciem.UUCP> I initially responded directly to dciem!ntt, and then decided this was of general interest. (assuming anyone is interested at all) While I agree that FTL looks like time-travel, I don't think it looks like travel into the past. Instead it always looks like travel to and from the future relative to any observer. Thus there is not a chance of creating paradoxes by combining FTL and remote control, etc. At least not the way it's normally imagined (remember, this is still fiction) to work. You don't have to use any complicated arguments to make a pretty strong case that while the relative future may be involved, the relative past never is. Imagine two star systems, 10 light years apart, and that people have FTL (assume instantaneous) travel. Observers in system A note "current" events in system A and ten year old events in system B. Analogously for observers in system B. Now someone blips from A to B. As far as the "A" viewpoint goes, the traveller has gone into the future (not the past) since the traveller is getting "on-line" what will take ten years to affect those still in system A. As far as the "B" viewpoint goes, the traveller has come from the future (not the past) since he can report events which will not impact B for ten years. Now, what happens when the traveller "blips" back from B to A? Well, the "A" viewpoint is that he went into the future and came back from the future. The "B" viewpoint is that he came from the future and went back the future. At no point does any modification of the (relative) past occur. Perhaps paradoxes can arise, but they aren't of the "go back and kill your grandfather nature". I would have to have a more detailed "explanation" of FTL and the way paradoxes can arise before I would agree, though. P.s.: From the standpoint of the traveler, he is *always* going to the future. Calendar dates at *each* of his stopping points are monotonically increasing and, of course, his local "biological" time always advances! (substitute she for he if you prefer) Stu Friedberg {seismo, allegra}!rochester!stuart stuart@rochester