Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 (Denver Mods 4/2/84) 6/24/83; site drutx.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!houxm!hogpc!houxe!drutx!rkp From: rkp@drutx.UUCP Newsgroups: net.sport.baseball Subject: Re: Runner's tagging up and 4 outs. Message-ID: <349@drutx.UUCP> Date: Fri, 18-May-84 10:14:27 EDT Article-I.D.: drutx.349 Posted: Fri May 18 10:14:27 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 19-May-84 00:17:53 EDT References: <310@drutx.UUCP> <188@princeton.UUCP>, <325@drutx.UUCP> <189@princeton.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Information Systems Laboratories, Denver Lines: 17 I appreciate Mark's examples of runs and outs and scores and no scores, but none were the same as the situation I posted. One out, runners on 1st and 3rd. Batter lifts a drive to right-center. The runner on third is going to tag up if caught. The runner on first isn't paying good attention, and heads for second. Outfielder catches the ball (out number 2), runner on third tags up and heads home, runner from 1st has rounded second and retraces his steps to first. The outfielder tries to throw out the runner going back to 1st. The runner MUST return to 1st since the play on him will be a FORCE play (i.e., no tag required). If they force him, the run doesn't score. If he makes it back, the run scores. Even if the runner gets back to first and overruns the bag, he has safely returned to 1st and now must be tagged out to get the 3rd out, but the runner going home has obviously scored by now and the run counts.