Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site watcgl.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!watcgl!dmmartindale From: dmmartindale@watcgl.UUCP (Dave Martindale) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: Fear and Loathing in ... Message-ID: <2551@watcgl.UUCP> Date: Sat, 12-May-84 16:21:50 EDT Article-I.D.: watcgl.2551 Posted: Sat May 12 16:21:50 1984 Date-Received: Sun, 13-May-84 07:42:43 EDT References: <1851@mit-vax.UUCP> Organization: U of Waterloo, Ontario Lines: 36 Regulation, rational or irrational, is likely to result in an increase in taxes simply to pay for the regulators. In the particular case of making salaries fairer, I suspect that were an inequality is found it will be rectified by increasing the women's salaries, not decreasing the men's. If the institution is publicly-funded, this may result in an increase in taxes due to salary adjustments too, or just a decrease in services. Now, all of this brings up a point that I'm surprised not to have seen discussed. Making sure that wages are equitable means, in truth, increasing the real income of women and decreasing that of men until they are paid according to the same standard. It doesn't matter if you leave the men's wages alone and increase the women's; if the economy is a somewhat balanced system then in the long run the men lose, probably via a smaller yearly increase than they would have otherwise have received. Now, I view all of this as being desirable - if men are being paid more than is fair just because of their sex, then they have no right to complain when they lose some of the unfair advantage. (And besides, I could lose a moderate fraction of my current income and not be hurt very much, so this is easy for me to say). But do most men realize that the process of paying women fairly will affect their own income? If they do, fine. But if they don't, what are they going to say when they figure that out? It seems that people in the countries with high standards of living are all in favour of improving the lot of people in the Third World as long as it doesn't hurt their own standard of living. If someone points out that there just aren't enough resources to go around, then watching out for onself first suddenly seems more important. Will men lose interest in fairness toward women if they realize it will hurt them? Or will the fact that the women are part of the same society as the men result in the women being treated as "Us" rather than "Them"? Dave Martindale