Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site ccieng5.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!harpo!seismo!rochester!ritcv!ccieng5!jbf From: jbf@ccieng5.UUCP (Jens Bernhard Fiederer) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: ET sex roles, request for clarificat Message-ID: <441@ccieng5.UUCP> Date: Wed, 16-May-84 12:26:46 EDT Article-I.D.: ccieng5.441 Posted: Wed May 16 12:26:46 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 17-May-84 04:36:46 EDT References: <800@cbneb.UUCP> Organization: CCI Central Engineering, Rochester, NY Lines: 30 If a difference among two groups is perceived, it is very difficult to say, with certainty: "All the difference is due to environment." I could argue convincingly that girls are brought up to play with dolls that wet themselves, and change their diapers, and I never was. This lack of preparation might explain the scarcity of guys that get pregnant. The fact that SOME training is involved obviously does not mean that ONLY training is responsible for differences. It only contradicts the hypothesis that ONLY genetic factors are responsible for the difference. I would agree that, in the case of women and mathematics, the cause of the difference is not yet determined. I know some excellent female mathematicians, but far more women who are brilliant otherwise, but reluctant to even consider a formal proof. I am not brash enough to claim to understand the basis of this phenomenon completely. While, regardless of the performance of the group, individuals should not be fettered, the possibility of actual differences DOES make "quota" controls potentially hazardous: if only 45% of the females surpassed the average male in mathematics, and you enforced a 50/50 division of labor in the field, the women would, on the average, end up as poorer performers, being burdened by their substandard 5%. If only the women above a certain level of competence, and only the men above a certain level of competence were admitted, this bias would disappear (but possibly leave a numeric imbalance). The Man of Fifty Years -- "Some people are eccentric, but I am just plain odd" Reachable as ....allegra![rayssd,rlgvax]!ccieng5!jbf