Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utcsrgv.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcsrgv!info-mac From: info-mac@utcsrgv.UUCP (info-mac) Newsgroups: ont.micro.mac Subject: Re: Toolbox equates for peons Message-ID: <4211@utcsrgv.UUCP> Date: Wed, 9-May-84 00:48:04 EDT Article-I.D.: utcsrgv.4211 Posted: Wed May 9 00:48:04 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 9-May-84 10:04:55 EDT Sender: peterr@utcsrgv.UUCP Organization: CSRG, University of Toronto Lines: 37 Date: Tue 8 May 84 10:59:52-PDT From: STERNLIGHT Subject: Re: Toolbox equates for peons To: POURNE@MIT-MC.ARPA, REICH@NYU-ACF1.ARPA Cc: INFO-MAC@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, STERNLIGHT@USC-ECL.ARPA In-Reply-To: Message from "Jerry E. Pournelle " of Tue 8 May 84 00:27:00-PDT Jerry, you're at it again. Because two "of my shills, both highly qualified programmer types, have been rejected as developers" you infer that "BIG BUSINESS types who get along nicely with the new Apple Image" are the main accepted developers. Cowdoody. I have a consulting firm of two, including myself. We are not only certified, but also registered developers (direct access to Apple, electronic mail account, etc.) How did we do it. Simple. We have a product already in existence which has been sold to several buyers of substance, and runs on an existing (IBM PC) machine, and we can prove it to Apple. We have NO image, just product. Nobody ever heard of us except our customers and others in our professional field (economics). We didn't know anybody at Apple nor did we meet anyone there prior to becoming registered developers. We have no vast corporate or financial resources. We're just legitimate developers. But I'll bet Apple is flooded by applications from programmers who say they are developers yet have not got any legitimate product out there. Everyone would LOVE to get the developer discount on hardware and software but only actual developers do. What about 'new' developers who have not yet produced and sold product? I guess they first have to create at least one product and market it successfully before Apple will accept them. Same in your profession. You can say you're a writer all you want but until you've had something published, I'll believe you're a writer; your mother will believe you're a writer, but writers? Isn't it about time you got off your (sometimes virulent) anti-Apple prejudice and took facts for what they were, assuming a legitimate explanation rather than base motives unless and until proven otherwise? --david-- -------