Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utcsrgv.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcsrgv!info-mac From: info-mac@utcsrgv.UUCP (info-mac) Newsgroups: ont.micro.mac Subject: Re: Toolbox equates for peons Message-ID: <4213@utcsrgv.UUCP> Date: Wed, 9-May-84 00:48:37 EDT Article-I.D.: utcsrgv.4213 Posted: Wed May 9 00:48:37 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 9-May-84 10:05:38 EDT Sender: peterr@utcsrgv.UUCP Organization: CSRG, University of Toronto Lines: 47 Date: Tue 8 May 84 12:51:24-PDT From: Chad Leland Mitchell Subject: Re: Toolbox equates for peons To: POURNE@MIT-MC.ARPA Cc: M.CHAD@SU-SIERRA.ARPA, info-mac@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA In-Reply-To: Message from "Jerry E. Pournelle " of Tue 8 May 84 00:27:00-PDT Let us remember what the certified developer program is all about. If one is accepted as a certified developer, one can get hardware at a discount. Period. Without certified developer status, one can still buy Macs and Lisas, and can get Inside Macintosh and all necessary tools. There is a special developer status (something like "registered" I think) which allows you to use electronic mail, etc. for help but that costs and I doubt that many "hackers" would be interested. Apple seems to have a simple formula for accepting certified developers. If it seems that a person/company is likely to use the machines purchased to develop software which will sell or otherwise have wide distribution on the Mac then they qualify. If it seems that the Certified Developer status is going to be used simply to buy cheap machines for personal use, then why should they qualify? The application of this test seems to also follow a simple formula. If you have a company (size >=1) which has developed and marketed any software then you probably qualify. If you have a company (size >=1) which has a plan for some interesting software and some kind of development schedule then you p[robably qualify. If you are an individual with similar qualifications then you probably qualify although not quite as easily. I assume that you don't expect Apple to just give away certified developer status to anyone who wants to buy a machine. That would be equivalent to just placing all hardware on a massive discount (which while we would all like would be improbable as long as they continue to sell every Mac they make as fast as they can ship it). EVERY person I know who 1) Has a company name and has developed and sold software or 2) Demonstrated to Apple that he/she was a very competent programmer with plans for a real product has been granted certified developer status upon applying. Those who have demonstrated competency but had no plans have not been accepted (at least on the first try). Of course if you buy some hardware and start putting a product together and then apply you will probably get accepted with flying colors... Chad -------