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From: dave@qtlon.UUCP (Dave Lukes)
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Subject: Re: AT&T and the 3B*2: FLAME!
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Date: Mon, 11-Jun-84 19:49:16 EDT
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Posted: Mon Jun 11 19:49:16 1984
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<FFFLLLAAAMMMEEE  OOONNNNNNNNN !!!!!!!!!!>

1)	None of you AT&T abusers actually seem to have any FACTS
	(remember them ? :-) to go on (please correct me if I'm wrong).
	The best I've heard so far is something to the effect that
	``We got a demo and not all the stuff was there and the salesman
	didn't seem to know what he was talking about''.
	Can we all please remember the famous piece of advice:

		Engage brain before putting mouth in gear.

	Also: how much of this stuff is pure bigotry (whether commercially
	or otherwise inspired ??).
2)	I don't know what the situation on 3B2 UN*X is,
	so I don't know how much of UN*X you don't get with it
	(i.e. is it just the SGS missing, or have they unbundled cat as
	well ? :-).

3)	All this business about ``I need a C compiler/lex/yacc/franzlisp''
	is all PERSONAL (REAL UN*X hacks don't need cc, they use the
	shell and a few handfuls of tools :-).

4)	Like it or not most people using 3B2s probably WON'T need the C
	compiler (but probably unfortunately WILL need NROFF/DITROFF which
	aren't included).

5)	The business about needing to recompile netnews is spurious:
	MOST people buy software from distributors in binary form.
	(Please remember that most of the world DOESN'T Have a UN*X source
	license and isn't interested in one.)

6)	Philosophically, yes I agree that it is nasty to unbundle UN*X,
	but there again, lotsa good UN*X software doesn't actually come
	from AT&T. (Is it a UN*X system if it doesn't have netnews ??.)

FFFLLLAAAMMMEEE  OOOFFFFFF!!!
I will now turn off the rocket engine, retire to my opium den and wait to
see what AT&T have to say.

			From the asbestos keyboard of,
				Dave Lukes.	(<U.K.>!ukc!qtlon!dave)