Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83 based; site hound.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!houxm!hound!rfg From: rfg@hound.UUCP (R.GRANTGES) Newsgroups: net.audio Subject: Koss vs Stax - Summary of Survey Replies - (Long) Message-ID: <569@hound.UUCP> Date: Wed, 25-Jul-84 13:35:51 EDT Article-I.D.: hound.569 Posted: Wed Jul 25 13:35:51 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 27-Jul-84 04:49:00 EDT Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel NJ Lines: 94 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Some months ago I asked for comments about Stax earphones and received lots of them, almost all raves. However, I wonder if anyone out there can specifically compare Stax with the Koss ESP? Both are electrostatics. Both are expensive, with Stax more than twice as expensive, I think. Stax is Japanese, Koss is home made. Both are supposed to be super. Which is better? Is there a big difference? If I receive a lot of replies I will summarize for the newsgroup. hound!rfg THANKS THANKS THANKS THANKS THANKS THANKS THANKS Subject: Re: Compare Stax with Koss ESP - Anyone? Hi, I know of a friend who has a pair of the Koss electrostatics. His is an older model (purchased in the late seventies), and cost roughly 250.00 (mail order). I thought my 100.00 stax sounded better (tonal balance, midrange flatness), but his had better bass response. That's all I can say about the Koss (also, they are much bigger/heavier). Feng homxa!bjf From: ihnp4!wucs!plus5!hokey I have had my Koss ESP-9s for about 12 years. I think they are swell, but they are occasionally a bit heavy and you can't move around much when you are wearing them. The sound is excellent, except they don't have the earth shattering bass that my Infinity QLS-1s do (I guess that's to be expected). The Koss headphones are made, I believe, in Wisconsin. In any event, I suspect you will buy only one set of headphones. Once you've done that, however, you won't be comparing them to anything else, so the issue of which pair sound better is moot! Hokey ihnp4!plus5!hokey From rfg Fri Jun 22 09:52 EDT 1984 [] Thanks for the reply. I've already bought several earphones over the years, but all of the work-a-day under $50 type. I'm trying to go for something really good now because the wife can seldom tolerate my CD playing at my preferred volume level on the AR-9s. I have worked my way up over the years to the point I probably could afford the Koss ESP. However, I have heard such raves over the Stax models (at $500-700) that I'm wondering if I should save my pennies for a few more years yet. From what I have heard about them, their only disadvantages are that they cost $$$ and look like your wearing two outhouses on your ears. Otherwise people say they are fantastic and very comfortable. Now the Koss Esp is also an electrostatic design, but with smaller diaphragms. I did hear the Esp's a long time ago and they sounded very good to me, only I think they wouldn't play very loud. Have you had any problems with that?(limited max volume?) Dick Grantges hound!rfg I own a set of Koss ESP7 s bought in 1970. They require yTHE MUSIC the energy fromn the music to energize the phones, and when the level drops ( as in most classiscal music, the music fades away. I also dfeel they are not that conmfortable - as the dynamic PRO-4aaaaaaas (forgot how many as s they have in their latest models). However, I would highly recommend the Koss PRO-4x headphones - they sound great, are comfortable, and supply isolation(unlike the Sennheisers). I'm not sure ho comfortable the newere Koss electrostatics or the STAX are - but that would be a primary consideration as themy electrostatics are 14 years old, and have probably been used about 100 hours., and my PRO-4xs are 1 1/2 and have been used nmuch more - say an average of an hour a day. In closing, I went to a store here calle Musicraft that had all brands sittin hooked up, and it was easy to compare fore all the qualities I've mentioned execept for long-term comfort. Larry Langerholc iwu1b!llserv From: vax135!decvax!mcnc!duke!mgvAF I had replied to your original query. I would like to point out that the *electret* Stax models (I have an SR44) are probably much cheaper than the Koss ESP. I suggest that you compare electret Staxes with electrostatics (Koss or Staxes). I know there are other makers of electret headphones. You might be surprised by the outcome of the comparison. (Hint: More money does not *always* buy you better sound...) Marco From: ihnp4!wucs!plus5!hokey Subject: High Volume and Koss I have had no problem at all with pushing a lot of sound through my E-9s. One year at school I didn't have my speakers so I used to turn the cups on the headphones out. It provided listenable levels! If the power is clean you won't have any trouble that I could imagine. I suspect you're looking at the ESP-10s, correct? I haven't been in a hifi shop for a year or two! The last time I was in one I was contemplating the purchase of an Omnisonic imager, as it seemed to do some really amazing things to the sound. Hokey ihnp4!plus5!hokey >From decvax!decwrl!sun!sunny Thu Jun 28 09:07:34 1984 remote from vax135 From: vax135!decvax!decwrl!sun!sunny (Sunny Kirsten) I've had stax headphones since the very early '70s, and I chose them over the equivalent Koss because of better sound quality, though the Koss were capable of somewhat higher SPLs. I've only had some mechanical troubles from abuse. But the REAL factor was wearing comfort. The Koss were closed, the Stax open, and thus provide less sound isolation than the Koss. Now, a decade later, I'd be glad to receive a copy of the replies you receive. Sunny [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]