Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site abnjh.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!abnjh!cbspt002 From: cbspt002@abnjh.UUCP (Marc E. Kenig ) Newsgroups: net.crypt,net.misc Subject: Re: The Beale Ciphers Message-ID: <730@abnjh.UUCP> Date: Sat, 7-Jul-84 21:00:45 EDT Article-I.D.: abnjh.730 Posted: Sat Jul 7 21:00:45 1984 Date-Received: Sun, 8-Jul-84 00:35:23 EDT References: <148@oakhill.UUCP>, <3102@brl-tgr.ARPA> Organization: ATTIS, NJ Lines: 30 The owners of the land would only be abe to stake a claim if they KNEW that the treasure was there when they acquired the land, or if they are direct descendants to TJ Beale and/or company. Also, come into play the laws of slavage in W. Virginia (and W. Va. Lawyers out there?). You'd pay tax immediately to the feds on those articles on which could be placed immediate value (i.e. the gold and silver). Fortunately, the 3rd cipher (giving relatives names of those in Beales expedition) can not be considered a will or title. Personally, I think it's a hoax. Why put the most expository narrative in the second, rather than the first cipher?? Also, if one is encoding a message, you tend to write in a dry 'telegram' style. TJ Beale not only repeats himself, but uses qualifiers like 'vault or excavation', etc. How about the ability to haul all that weight thousands of miles given 1820's wangons and a distinct lack of roads through tough terrain? Or the fact that it was only buried six-feet deep (I'd of buried it a lot deeper myself). And why use such a popular document such as the Declaration for one cipher key and then turn around and use far less obvious keys for the others? How come there are absolutely no Spanish records on such a party ever visiting New Mexico (which had pretty thoroughly been picked clean by the Spanish for over two centuries)? And Mr. Morriss was either very honest or had absolutely no curiosity to hold a lockbox for over 20 years and not peek inside. Proving the ciphers to be hoaxes can only be done by indirect evidence and hostorical analysis - which is as much part of cryptanalysis as codebreaking. The Beale Cipher Society has some good collections of papers along this line. M. Kenig "Of course, somebody could've already dug it up and not told ...abnjh!cbspt002 anybody. That's what I'd do!"