Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site pyuxa.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!pyuxww!pyuxa!wetcw From: wetcw@pyuxa.UUCP (T C Wheeler) Newsgroups: net.motss Subject: My View of it All Message-ID: <846@pyuxa.UUCP> Date: Wed, 27-Jun-84 15:45:26 EDT Article-I.D.: pyuxa.846 Posted: Wed Jun 27 15:45:26 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 28-Jun-84 05:56:14 EDT Organization: Bell Communications Research, Piscataway N.J. Lines: 90 I have been following the discussions going on in this and other groups for some time now. I must say, it has all been very lively and interesting. I would like to add something that either might or might not be relevant to the discussion, if I may. Over the years, I have come to form some niches or categories in my thinking as it relates to homosexuality. In my mind, I have formed four niches into which I place homosexuals: Homosexuals, gays, queers, and animals. Now before someone starts flaming, I might point out that there are plenty of heteros who also fall into these niches alongside the homosexuals. In the first grouping fall probably most of the homosexuals I know. Fine decent people who contribute to society, do their thing without fanfare, and are just as well adjusted as anyone else. The second category, the gays, comprise that group of people who seem to have to keep telling everyone that they are gay as if they have some kind of complex. They walk around with badges proclaiming their sexuality as if it were a claim to fame. They march in parades with banners. Not just the Gay Pride Parade, all parades including St Paddy's with a sign saying Gay Irish Unite. These people, in my mind, have a communication problem. I could care less if they are gay or not, so why keep telling me they are? It seems as if their nvolvement in Gay Rights is nothing more than an opportunity to perform public scourging. It seems to make them feel better if they keep proclaiming their gayness. I only get annoyed by these people, but I can tolerate them. Hold the flame. I also get annoyed with straights who do essentially the same thing, especially around St Patrick's Day when I have to go through the Kiss Me I'm Irish syndrome. My next category is one that will probably bring on the real flames. Queers, for lack of a better word. These are the guys (I have never seen women do this) that insist on parading down the street in New Hope, Pa, arms all entangled, tounges in ears, dressed in only bikini shorts (very tight), with often, the tip of their organ casually peeking out of one leg of their shorts. This is what I call a queer. They perform their little sexual scenarios on main streets in number of gathering places around the country. When not making asses of themselves in New Hope or out on the Cape, they gather in psuedo macho clumps, leather and all, in bars where the atmosphere smacks of early Marlon Brando. What I see they are trying to do is nothing more than upset the straights. My biggest objection to queers is their attitude towards other people. They just don't give a damn how others feel about someone performing a sex act on the street. I don't care if they are, at least moderately dressed (comparable to the rest of the folks on the street), holding hands (yeah, I know, just like straights), and behaving with some sembalance of street decorum. If they want to orgy, take it home or to some secluded spot. A roll in the hay in a downtown public park at high noon on a Saturday is not my idea of decorum. BTW, I have seen this type of behaviour several times and it always brings my blood to a boil. I have had my kids with me on several of these occasions and it caused us to cancel plans. (I don't believe in straights performing in the park in this manner either.) I'm not talking about casual intimacy here, I'm talking Fondle City, no holds barred. My last group of beings is resereved for animals. These are the ones, homosexual or heterosexual, who prey on children. These things (I hesitate to call them people) are sick. These are the ones we read most about in the media and leave everyone with a formed opinion about all homosexuals. Here we have the NAMBULA bunch. Here we have the guy who rapes a 5-year old. Here we have the dregs of society. We don't often see these THINGS in society until they surface after performing oneof their henious acts. I have no use for them and I hope noone else does. Well, that's all I wanted to say. I only hope I haven't offended anyone with my personal categorizing system. That's just the way I see it from here. I'm not out to bait the members of this group, I just thought you might be interested in hearing how one person views the discussion from this side of the fence. I know there will be quite a few who disagree with how I feel, but if we didn't have disagreements, there would be no horse races, and Monmouth Park would be closed, and the tax rate in our county would go up, and I would have to get another job to pay the taxes, and my family would suffer, and I would suffer, so disagreements are fine with me so I don't have to suffer. T. C. Wheeler