Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site fortune.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!ihnp4!fortune!polard From: polard@fortune.UUCP (Henry Polard) Newsgroups: net.nlang Subject: Re: Words without vowels? Message-ID: <3875@fortune.UUCP> Date: Thu, 26-Jul-84 17:01:06 EDT Article-I.D.: fortune.3875 Posted: Thu Jul 26 17:01:06 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 27-Jul-84 07:15:50 EDT References: <3009@rabbit.UUCP>, <3871@fortune.UUCP> Organization: Fortune Systems, Redwood City, CA Lines: 17 In general and simplistically: The word "vowel" refers to: 1. A class of letters, such as aeiou. Each writing system defines what a vowel is. In Polish, "y" is a wowel. In Czech and Croatian, "r" is both a consonant and a vowel. In English, "y" is both a vowel (he said slyly) and a consonant. Sometimes new words violate the old rules: I wonder how the English spelling system will finally deal with the word "nth". When a foreign word is incorporated into English its spelling is also incorporated. "Crwth" and "cwm" are still recognized as being Welsh, so "w" may not yet be a vowel in English. 2. A class of sounds, generally a sound that can be "held" as long as there is breath going out. Each language defines what constitutes a wowel in its sound system. Sometimes a word may consist of only consonants from a abstract point of view, but will have a vowel when spoken. For example, the word for "I" in Cayuga is just "k" (according to one analysis) but is pronounced like the English word "eek". What constitutes a word can be a matter of debate. As with sound, the writing system of a language is not necessarily a reliable guide, so "v" and "z" in Polish may be followed by a space in writing, but according to some linguists become part of the following word (like the plural ending "s" in English becomes part of the word it follows). About "down": "ow" is a way to spell a vowel. Whether you want to consider the letter "w" as a vowel in such words seems to be a matter of taste. For details, take a look at an introductory linguistics textbook or other relevant books. A good one for finding out about vowels is PHONETICS by Hefner. Be sure to verify what these books say by your own experience. I don't have refernces on me now, but if you want a brief bibliography on introductions to phonetics, phonology & linguistics I will send you one on request. -- Henry Polard (You bring the flames; I'll bring the marshmallows.) {ihnp4,cbosgd,amd}!fortune!polard